The Presidential prophecy- An update on Charlie Johnston

A triumphant Trump inaugurated amidst some bold predictions
Update Jan 1, 2018: Concerning Mr. Johnston's alleged prophecies and private revelations, from early on this writer often commented that time and events (or lack of events) will clearly reveal whether Charlie's prophecies are authentic, or not.  In other words, time will tell. 

Well, as of today (January 1, 2018) time has clearly revealed that Mr. Johnston's numerous prophecies have ALL been shown to be completely false, most notably his predictions concerning the Presidential election, the great worldwide "Storm" which he foretold would bring global economic collapse and civil strife, toppling governments throughout the globe, war with political Islam resulting with the mass conversion of most Muslims, then a war with China, and generalized  global chaos resulting in 26 million dead, all culminating with the miraculous "Rescue" apparition of the Blessed Virgin Mary to all of humanity, all of which was prophesied by Charlie to occur by the end of 2017. 

In conclusion, since Charlie's prophecies have now all been shown to be completely false, he joins the list of recent failed visionaries whose stories have been highlighted on this site, such as "Locutions to the World" and "Maria Divine Mercy", and together they provide a strong cautionary warning for all of us in regards to purported visionaries and mystics of past and present, urging us to be very cautious and prudent in our discernment concerning such persons,  reaffirming the statement and warning of St Paul of the Cross, the founder of the Passionists and great mystic himself, who once stated that 9 out of 10 purported visionaries are false.  Perhaps this estimation from St Paul of the Cross is a bit high, but then again perhaps not.  -Glenn Dallaire
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UPDATE, January 20, 2017: 
With the successful inauguration of President Donald Trump comes the unfulfilled conclusion to both parts of the alleged angelic “Presidential prophecy” of Charlie Johnston, namely that Obama will not finish his term and the next leader will not come from the political system (ie.-not elected), as detailed in the article below. It was a bold two-part prophecy that has now ended in a double fail.

When one claims to be a prophet of God, one’s life and most especially one’s prophecies are automatically held for scrutiny before the court of public opinion. In this court of public opinion, the preponderance of the evidence is what often initially sways one’s opinion, yet there eventually comes to pass certain very important matters for discernment, such as key prophecies, which depending on their eventual turnout, will considerably authenticate, or invalidate, the purported mission and message of such persons.  And when one compares the alleged angelic ‘Presidential prophecy’ against today’s successful inauguration, the conclusions to be drawn are self-evident.  

With the above being said, one would strongly suspect that today’s inauguration, which by all appearances completely invalidates the first formal public prophecy of Charlie Johnston, will likely be one of these aforementioned key matters for discernment that will have a decisive impact in judging his purported prophetic mission and message for a good many people.  For if a prophet is judged by his prophecies as the saying goes, then today’s failure of the purported angelic ‘Presidential prophecy’,  as detailed in the article below,  will for many persons surely bring with it an unfavorable judgment in what concerns the prophetic mission of Charlie Johnston. 

For in his blog post "The Election...and Other Potential Triggers" Charlie writes:
"...If, next January, Barack Obama peacefully hands over the reins of power to Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump, I will declare myself unreliable and go away. But it will not happen that way, for God has appointed that this be a sign to you to fortify you to trust Him and choose the ordinary way to follow Him through the most frightening year for the globe in history."

And again, concerning today’s inauguration, for his part Charlie has also declared in his post entitled “Election day” on November 7th that:
 “…If, on January 20, Obama peacefully transfers power to either Trump or Clinton, I will declare myself unreliable and retire into silence.”  

With this pledge, one finds that today’s inauguration will bring with it not only the end of Obama’s term, but also the end of Charlie Johnston’s public blogging, speaking engagements, and future predictions, at least for a time, though the loss of credibility from today’s events will likely be permanent. 

And I say "for a time" simply because of Charlie's recent comments on his blog concerning the possibility of today's failure of his "Presidential prophecy", wherein he recently speaks about the possibility of being "recalled" by God into a silent, private period for some sort of remedial prophetic discernment re-training "for a time".

Nevertheless, for those who in good faith spread amongst their family, friends and coworkers Charlie's prediction concerning "Obama not finishing his term/next leader not coming from the political process", and who are now left feeling much like "the boy who cried wolf", one can only presume that any possible future prophetic predictions from Charlie will be given little or no credence, if not outright opposition by many who have followed his work and message, as is perhaps justifiably merited by today's developments. In the end, it is up to Archbishop Aquila of Denver to make any formal judgments concerning Charlie Johnston's private revelations.

As for this writer, I can say that while I have always been reluctant to highlight purported LIVING mystics and visionaries, I am even more so now after these recent events.

May God bless the United States of America, and all of humanity.
-Glenn Dallaire, January 20, 2017


Charlie Johnston during a recent FOCUS TV interview
The final days for the possible fulfillment of a purported Angelic prophecy 

By: Glenn Dallaire

Jan. 7, 2017 -Vigil of the Epiphany
Many readers of this website are familiar with the original article that I wrote back in January 2015 entitled  "Charlie Johnston -An alleged prophet with a critically important message for humanity".  In it I discussed at length Charlie's purported prophetic mission and message, along with a short biography of his life. And for the past two years it has been one of the most popular articles on this website.

Additionally, when the Archdiocese of Denver came out with a Statement in March 2016 concerning Mr. Johnston I published an article here discussing it.

The Presidential prophecy
In the past week, the comments beneath that original article have exploded (there are now currently a total of 770 comments), as has my email inbox, with most everyone commenting specifically on the angelic prophecy allegedly given to Charlie, which I have named "The Presidential prophecy":

"What I was told in the Spring of 2008 was that Barack Obama would win that year's election, that he would not finish his full term, and that the next stable national leader would not come from the political system."

The obvious reason for all of the recent attention to this specific alleged angelic prophecy is the upcoming scheduled Presidential Inauguration scheduled for this January 20th--just 2 weeks away from this writing. For his part, just yesterday Charlie published an article entitled "A Decisive Conundrum" which addresses this matter, in part.

This particular prophecy is the first of a series of alleged angelic prophesies concerning the world that are to occur mostly this year (2017). And since we are delving into this subject of alleged "Angelic" messages given to Charlie, it should be pointed out that the Angel whom has purportedly visited Charlie from childhood is the Archangel Gabriel, as was specifically revealed to Charlie during one of the "visitations". The other predictions that Charlie insists upon are highlighted in his article entitled "Go Forth". In it Charlie reveals eight worldwide events that are said to occur::

"I only have eight public prophecies that I insist on. Only the visible, miraculous Rescue by Our Lady, the Immaculate Conception in late 2017, is time sensitive. Five things must happen between now and the Rescue, but can happen at any time during that period. They are:

– The continued toppling of governments throughout the world, including that of the U.S. The toppling of a government does not mean the nation shall fall.

– The confrontation with and fall of political Islam.

– The mass conversion of most Muslims

– The confrontation between the Judeo-Christian world and the current government of China.

– The alliance between Russia and the U.S. to lead the Judeo-Christian world to endure the confrontation with China.

-Then, after the 5 things above comes the miraculous "Rescue" through the Immaculate Heart of Mary sometime in late 2017.

Then there are two prophecies that happen shortly after the Rescue. They are the unification of the faithful into one flock under one shepherd and the building and location of the Shrine of thanksgiving for the Rescue on Mount Meeker in Colorado.

Together these predicted events constitute for humanity what Charlie calls "The Storm"--a series of events which he states is already well underway. As of today (January 7, 2017), the most obvious observation concerning the prophesies above is that time is really running out for them to all happen before the miraculous Rescue in late 2017. Thus, from an intellectually reasoned perspective, it is probably readily apparent to many that such predictions are already a failure, given the time-frames involved for such things to occur in "real" time. But then, who really knows just yet? For God is not limited by our human constraints and He is always full of surprises.

It should be noted that the "Presidential prophecy" is NOT part of the eight public prophesies that Charlie insists upon. I don't know what bearing that may have, if any, in the upcoming days and weeks.

"God has appointed that this be a sign to you"
In his article "The Election...and Other Potential Triggers" Charlie writes:
"If, next January, Barack Obama peacefully hands over the reins of power to Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump, I will declare myself unreliable and go away. But it will not happen that way, for God has appointed that this be a sign to you to fortify you to trust Him and choose the ordinary way to follow Him through the most frightening year for the globe in history."

Of course for now the big question at this point is whether or not the purported angelic prophecy concerning Obama not finishing his term/next leader not coming from the election process will come to pass as foretold in the remaining two weeks before the scheduled Presidential inauguration on January 20th. And the obvious implication in the opinion of many people is that this prophecy is key in determining whether Charlie is truly an authentic prophet, or not. For as the saying goes "A prophet is judged by his prophecies", or as Scripture tells us:

"And if you say in your heart, ‘How may we know the word that the Lord has not spoken?’— when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the word does not come to pass or come true, that is a word that the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously. You need not fear him." (Deuteronomy 18:21-22).

For his part, Charlie has stated numerous times that if this particular prophecy concerning Obama not finishing his term were to fail, with the presidency successfully transitioned to Donald Trump, that he will post one last post on his blog, then go away:
Charlie Johnston during a presentation in July 2016
charliej373 says:
"If there is a peaceful transition of power from Obama to Trump, I will go away. If there is not, be not afraid, God has a plan."

or again:
 charliej373 says:
December 17, 2016 at 2:54 pm
"Now, as I have said, if the inauguration goes on without incident, I will go away. "

or again:
charliej373 says:
"Certainly, if we have a normal inauguration a month from now, I will retire from the field, for that prophecy will have been objectively wrong. I take full responsibility for that. But it won’t change what you are called to do.

Noting that I do and will take responsibility, your standard would require you to dismiss St. Joan of Arc as a false prophet for the times she erred on saying how the battle would go – and many of the Old Testament prophets who were often off on their timing, sometimes by years. I do not say this to try to justify any error on my part. I strongly urge you to examine yourself and consider what God calls you to. But yep, a month from now if we have a normal inauguration, you can give me a big old thumbs down."

charliej373 says:
January 8, 2017 at 9:21 pm
"If the inauguration comes off, I will leave the public scene, because that is what it means to honorably take full responsibility. "

And so, even though this "Presidential prophecy" is not one of the eight public prophecies that Charlie insists upon, according to several statements he has made he does believe that if it fails to come to pass as foretold, this would be significant enough to merit and declare himself "unreliable" and "leaving the scene". Time will soon tell how things turn out. For his part, Charlie has "laid it on the line", so to speak. We need only wait, watch and pray. Events, or the lack thereof, will reveal the truth concerning Charlie's purported private revelations.

Given all of the recent interest in this particular prophecy as of late, along with the popularity of the original article here on this website concerning Charlie Johnston, I thought I would publish this new article so that those interested can comment on this matter freely and directly here. As always, all comments are published immediately on this website, without moderation. I only ask that commentators be charitable and considerate in their comments.

***UPDATE: FEBRUARY 16, 2017: Archdiocese of Denver: "Statement on false claim regarding Charlie Johnston’s messages"

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Anonymous said...

Mr. Johnston did in fact predict all of the following before the 'Rescue', which is due at the end of 2017, i.e. in less than 12 days. This is the truth:

26 million dead;
WW3 with China, a 'bad actor';
Worldwide civil war, along racial & religious lines;
Worldwide economic collapse;
No presidential elections;
Internment camps in the USA;
Mass conversion of Muslims.

Now he says the 'Rescue' will occur first, by the end of this year. Wow; that's a dramatic shift. That's another example of Mr. Johnston moving the goal posts, again. It will, in fact, be a second & very significant failure within a 12 month period. In any case, I hope and pray that TNRS blog will be shut down, as of 1-1-2018, subsequent to the 'Rescue' not occurring. If not, I'll petition the Denver Archbishop to formally sanction TNRS. Catholics have already been warned not to attempt to interpret Charlie's failed predictions as somehow legitimate. Charlie really loves the spotlight, but, thankfully, that light will go out entirely in less than 12 days.

Anonymous said...



The events of 2016/17 have shown that Mr. Johnston’s alleged visions were not accurate and the Archdiocese urges the faithful not to condone or support further attempts to reinterpret them as valid. —Archdiocese of Denver, Press Release, Feb. 15th, 2017; archden.org

Clear already, yes?
This is Francis. Prayers are in order here. Demons are trying to dilute belief in authentic Catholic prophecy.

Anonymous said...

Sometime in the next year, I will be significantly wrong about something. It won’t be the Rescue, but it will be something. When it comes, it will not be a test of me, for I already know that God is good and seeks our reclamation. Charlie Johnston.

Sorry Charlie, you've been wrong on everything thus far. The Archbishop's statement speaks for itself.

Bemused said...

As I understood Charlie's mission back in 2015, the world was about to enter a period of upheaval and despair unlike anything since the foundation of the world. We were about to live through a worldwide economic collapse and a return to a barter system, a world war between the US, Russia and China, world wide civil wars, the movement of people to FEMA camps, millions dead, and a loss of hope. But God had sent the world Charlie in order to raise an army of Sherpas. And these Sherpas would encourage us to trust God and take the next right step, in anticipation of a miraculous intervention and Rescue by the BVM that would happen at the very moment when the entire world had given up hope. And all these events would all occur and be completed in 2017.

Now let's say the BVM intervenes the world in the next 11 days. That would be truly miraculous but then what was the point of Charlie raising an army of Internet Sherpas? While the world is in bad shape with abortion and homosexual marriage, I don't see any worldwide despair, there has certainly been no economic collapse, or none of the other terrible things Charlie predicted that would cause the world to despair and give up hope. So the army of Sherpas seems to have been unnecessary.

What am I missing? The whole thing doesn't make sense.

Anonymous said...

Bemused;

Where you're going wrong is attempting even slightly to rationally analyze Charlie's madness. He's been 100% wrong at every turn. Even his cult, TNRS, can't spin this one. In less than 11 days, we'll be totally irrelevant. He already is, but in 11 days, even the tin hat squad will be out of spin. But, watch, he'll find some obscure reason to remain. He basks in the limelight. Archbishop Aquila, please act even more forcefully; this nonsense has endured far too long.

L Spinelli said...

Charlie’s whole raison d'etre was unnecessary. He scared the wits out of a lot of people for nothing. I hope and sincerely pray that he too receives good counseling and maybe even a minor exorcism (I'm not sure how the Church "fixes" visionaries who were fooled by demons) after this is done.

Lisa said...

I just read a very informative article regarding several "doomsday" prophecies bandied about in the past few years, as well as some of the reasons why people fall for them. A couple of these "prophecies" sound very similar to Charlie's fantasy.

http://www.news.com.au/technology/science/apocalypse-not-the-times-we-didnt-all-die-in-2017/news-story/1b02d070e489e4ad39f8b0330653ccc3

Anonymous said...

I hope Archbishop Acquila acts soon to put an end to this nonsense. Two clear statements have already been issued, but that won't deter Charlie, who will NEVER voluntarily leave his 15 minutes of (undeserved) fame. Charlie has been and is being deceived by demons, who may well turn against him, shortly after new years day.

I fear for the many Catholics misled by Charlie. I must wonder aloud why the Sacraments and genuine devotions are not enough. I fear for Charlie, who needs, at the very least, deliverance from demons. I also fear for TNRS cult members, who will have no credible leader in which to believe, in less than 11 days; not implying in the least that they have one now.

Charity and prayers are very much needed here. However, this nonsense must not be empowered. Nobody on this thread has personally attacked Mr. Johnston, who opened his absurd views to public scrutiny, in the slightest. His ridiculous, failed predictions could not stand examination - and have all been proved false. In less than 11 days, he'll vanish, only to reappear shortly, with little or no explanation. I'll bet he'll be re instructed yet again, but with some sort of a novel twist added in.

Charlie basks in the limelight. We don't need him to tell us how bad the world currently is, and how important it is to be kind to others. TNRS claims to demand charity, yet scrubs any posts, which question this nonsense. Charlie puts all this nonsense in the public domain, and basks in the attention. Yet, he won't tolerate any scrutiny. In 11 days, I plead with Archbishop Acquila to formally sanction this cult.

Anonymous said...

L Spinelli;

Spot on. Charlie DID scare the wits out of a lot of people for nothing. He should have the honor to at least truly vanish, as of new years day, 2018. He already reneged on a promise to leave. 26 million dead, worldwide civil war, worldwide economic collapse, internment camps in America, etc. His presidential prediction totally tanked, and he returned. The 2017 so called 'rescue' is about to tank, and he'll return in late January, 2018. Count on it.

Anonymous said...

In ten (10) days, Mr. Johnston will be shown to be totally wrong, yet again, for the second time, within one year. Every so called 'angelic' prediction has utterly failed, and there have been far more than these two. Jesus instructed us to show charity to those around us. We don't need any reminder or clarification from Mr. Johnston.

People have been misled & hurt by these false predictions. People have also lost credibility. A good example is Michael Brown of Spirit Daily, whom I admire and do follow. He's quite good, but fell for Mr. Johnston's nonsense hook, line & sinker.

If Mr. Johnston had any honor, he'd issue a sincere apology, on January 1, 2018, and leave the public domain, both entirely & permanently. But he won't. I don't believe that Mr. Johnston will shut down his blog, or give up the few remaining followers he has, even after his predictions fail, yet again - in ten days. He clearly adores the little attention he still receives, which is, frankly, totally undeserved. He's already irrelevant, but keeps breaking his promise to leave, should he be proven wrong, which he always is proven to be.

I implore Archbishop Acquila to put an end to this nonsense in January, 2018. Merry Christmas.

Jim

Anonymous said...

26 million dead;
WW3 with China, a 'bad actor';
Worldwide civil war, along racial & religious lines;
Worldwide economic collapse;
No presidential elections;
Internment camps in the USA;
Mass conversion of Muslims........all before the 'rescue', by the end of 2017.

OK. Clever tale of woe, which sadly frightened many. LTTW, Maria Divine Mercy, Bayside, and Charlie Johnston, just to name a few false prophecies.

Anonymous said...

The events of 2016/17 have shown that Mr. Johnston’s alleged visions were not accurate and the Archdiocese urges the faithful not to condone or support further attempts to reinterpret them as valid. —Archdiocese of Denver, Press Release, Feb. 15th, 2017; archden.org

This pretty much says it all. To all the above posts....you're totally correct, but why even justify ignoring Charlie's fantasy? The Archdiocese has spoken. That's more than enough for me.

Anonymous said...

To anonymous above - if the archdiocese was 100% convinced CJ was a fake they would have asked him to take down his blog and told the faithful not to listen to him. The archdiocese did no such thing. They punted and decided it would be prudent to take the Gamaliel approach.

Anonymous said...

Anon@12:20,

NOT ACCURATE ... NOT TO CONDONE OR SUPPORT FURTHER ATTEMPTS TO REINTERPRET...

THAT IS NOT PUNTING!!!

Anonymous said...

I concur with Anon @ 2:48. The statement was clear.

The events of 2016/17 have shown that Mr. Johnston’s alleged visions were not accurate and the Archdiocese urges the faithful not to condone or support further attempts to reinterpret them as valid.

This isn't punting. It's clear. Yet, Charlie stands by his fantasy.

LTTW, Bayside, Maria Divine Mercy, and now Charlie.

Anonymous said...

You are saying the archdiocese didn't punt, but they could have EASILY told CJ to take down the blog, but they didn't. I think they are afraid of shutting down a person who may prove to be a true mystic. Wasn't Padre Pio and the nun who received the Divine Mercy prayers suppressed for a period? And these were true mystics. Now CJ has NOT been suppressed by the archdiocese. Why is that, other than the archdiocese was not 100% sure if he was true or false. So they took the Gamaliel approach which I consider to be punting, or rather kicking the can down the road. When the Catholic Church wants to condemn an apparition, e.g., Bayside, they are NOT shy about doing so. I am just making the point they didn't do that in this case.

Fred Keyes said...

Anon @ 3:44. What will you say next week on January 1 if the list of predictions that were told us true fail to materialize?

Dt 18:22: "If a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD but the thing does not take place or prove true, it is a word that the LORD has not spoken. The prophet has spoken it presumptuously; do not be frightened by it."

Anonymous said...

At Anon @ 3:44

CJ was forbidden to speak on any Church property within the archdiocese. Also, his predictions were shown not to be true, as of Jan. 20, 2017, and the faithful were clearly advised by the Archdiocese not to try to make them appear to be somehow true or valid.

IDK, that's about as clear as one can get. But, in 9 days, after the so called rescue fails, as it will, CJ will NOT leave. He won't, despite a record of 100% failures. Nobody, except his very small cult, will listen, but he won't give up this dying gasp at fame. Pathetic, really. He needs deliverance.

Anonymous said...

The events of 2016/17 have shown that Mr. Johnston’s alleged visions were not accurate and the Archdiocese urges the faithful not to condone or support further attempts to reinterpret them as valid.

OK, any questions. 'Alleged visions were not accurate.' Quad erat demunstratum.

Anonymous said...


26 million dead; WW3 with China, a bad actor; no presidential election; mass conversion of the Muslims; internment camps being established in America; global economic meltdown; global civil war, fought along social & religious lines, unification of the flock under one shepard, etc. None of it occurred. Nothing.

Dt 18:22: "If a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD but the thing does not take place or prove true, it is a word that the LORD has not spoken. The prophet has spoken it presumptuously; do not be frightened by it." AND

The events of 2016/17 have shown that Mr. Johnston’s alleged visions were not accurate and the Archdiocese urges the faithful not to condone or support further attempts to reinterpret them as valid.

TNRS is so quiet. No mention of the 'rescue', which, according to Charlie, is now going to proceed the horrific events, rather than occur subsequent to them - which is bizarre. That's a significant movement of the goal posts, yet again.

I wonder what unique spin Charlie will put on things when he returns in late January, after a few weeks of laying low, which is his m.o. I bet he'll say he received new & improved re -instruction, with some unique twist thrown in, for added effect, as was opined above. Details will be sketchy. He'll probably cover everything via some sort of blanket statement about the mind of God being unknowable and him being correct about the overall trust of things. Anybody watching the nightly news or reading a newspaper would come to the same conclusions about the overall thrust of things. No prophet is needed there. Furthermore, we were told by Our Lord to show charity. No prophet is needed there either.

Of course, the fact that every single one of his predictions has been totally & completely wrong, despite having been rebuked by his 'angel' to TELL US TRUE, will be omitted. The people that were hurt and misled because they fell for this BS will also be omitted. The fact that he is forbidden to speak on Church property in his own diocese and that two separate Catholic Bishops have warned the faithful to exercise grave caution about this nonsense won't be mentioned either.

So, Charlie shall return, after his greatest prediction, in fact the culmination of all his predictions, fails, as usual. Charlie need deliverance, as stated numerous times on this thread. I beg Archbishop Acquila to act forcefully. LTTW, Bayside, Maria Divine Mercy, and Charlie Johnston need prayers, but also strong, tough sanctions.

Anonymous said...

You saying this statement is misleading:

'The fact that he is forbidden to speak on Church property in his own diocese'

CJ simply needs to get permission *before* he can speak on Church property. The archdiocese does not use the word *forbidden*.

I am not saying I believe CJ. I am just saying that his Archdiocese is taking the Gamaliel approach. For example they say he can't speak without permission - but then again EVERYONE, purported seer or not, needs permission to speak on archdiocese property. And plus this statement is ambiguous (and I think by design because the archdiocese is unsure of CJ):

'The events of 2016/17 have shown that Mr. Johnston’s alleged visions were not accurate'

Yes, the president prophecy was not accurate but they are not unambiguously saying that *all* his prophecy is not accurate.

Again my point is I think the archdiocese is unsure about CJ and is trying to play both sides. If they were convinced beyond the shadow of a doubt he was a fraud they would have told him to take down his blog. Then if he refused to do so he would be in violation of a direct order by his archdiocese and would be exposed. But for some reason the archdiocese seems to be fine with him leaving all his messages posted, or is afraid to tell him to take it down because of the possibility he might he a real seer but only off on the timing of events.

Anonymous said...

Anon @ 1040;

OK, I hear you, but I dissent. I posted the above post. The Catholic Church has been rocked by financial & child abuse scandals. Because of this, I believe they are somewhat reticent to act too forcefully. That is simply my opinion. What is not my opinion is their above cited statement, which is very clear, candidly.

The archdiocese could well be convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt, as we all could be. They may well be simply trying to be moderate in their warnings, due to their own baggage.

May I remind you that the burden of proof rests with Charlie Johnston, and not vice versa. He is the one making these outrageous claims, all of which have totally failed. As such, there is NO reason to suspect that he may be correct, or to be unsure about CJ, as you suggest. Since the burden of proof rests with CJ, he must demonstrate something, and he has not at all, and has been totally wrong. Totally failed predictions, despite at least two (the Presidential prediction & soon the Rescue) having been presented as crucial for coming true, so as for people to believe. Since the buden of proof, which is incumbent upon CJ, is totally unmet, the issue is NOT whether any diocese is hedging its bets. You assert such, and I totally dissent, because nothing has been demonstrated as true or accurate regarding CJ's predictions. The burden of proof is on CJ, and as usual, it's unmet. Nothing.

Anonymous said...

Charlie Johnston has presented NOTHING to believe in, thus far. he can't back up his predictions, which have tanked. In 9 days, will he apologize? I'll bet not, sadly.

Anonymous said...

CJ and Beckita have been disobedient to the archbishop by constantly redefining the Rescue, when they were specifically told not to reinterpret CJ's original predictions. That is an obvious example of disobedience to the church. CJ also attempted to smear the reputation of a member of the commission when he wrote in his web post early on that a priest had shared confidential information with a blogger. He also called the official statement of the archdiocese of Omaha near libelous. How much more rebellious and untrustworthy does he have to be for his cult members to realize there is no Gamaliel option but that is just CJ's spin? Remember how CJ's followers ranted about libel suits when the archdiocese of Denver issued its second warning on CJ? He is disobedient and defiant. The second statement earlier this year was definitive, he is "inaccurate" and Catholics are not to rely on him, redefine him or condone him!!!

Anonymous said...

Anon@ 1131

Well stated. Amen. I'd add that CJ is obsessive & combative, not to mention consistently wrong. He'll remain, after new years day. His cult will make excuses. Mark my words.

Fred Keyes said...

Anon at 10:40, you know, saying that Charlie is "...a real seer but only off on the timing of events" is like saying my car could run perfectly except for the fact that the timing on my engine is off. The timing is essential.

But OK let's say the timing isn't essential. Looking at the essence of the "rescue" one has to question what it would accomplish and even if that idea is the way man thinks and not the way God thinks, as Jesus told Peter, "“Get behind me, Satan. You are thinking not as God does, but as human beings do."

Why do I say that? Recall the story Jesus told about the man who died and in his torment begged Abraham to warn his five brothers to repent so as not to suffer the same fate.

And the answer they got, as Luke tells it: "But Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the prophets. Let them listen to them.’ He said, ‘Oh no, father Abraham, but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’ Then Abraham said, ‘If they will not listen to Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded if someone should rise from the dead.’”

IMO, *that's* the way God thinks. Faith is necessary, a gift we get at our baptism. Thinking a "rescue" will somehow give us the certitude God exists and wants us to live a Mayberry life is just wishful, magical thinking.

So forget Charlie, and refocus. As Mark tells us Jesus said nearly 2000 years ago, “This is the time of fulfillment. The kingdom of God is at hand. Repent, and believe in the gospel.”

Fred Keyes said...

I started the sentence in my second paragraph above with one thought and finished with another. It would make more sense as follows:

But OK let's say the timing isn't essential. Looking at the essence of the "rescue" one has to question what it would accomplish. The thought behind it represents the way humans think and not the way God thinks. We all wish we could be certain of God’s existence. But as Jesus told Peter, “Get behind me, Satan. You are thinking not as God does, but as human beings do."

Jackisback said...

To Anon (December 23, 10:40 AM),

You said, in part: I am just saying that his Archdiocese is taking the Gamaliel approach. For example they say he can't speak without permission - but then again EVERYONE, purported seer or not, needs permission to speak on archdiocese property.

Sorry to disagree, but we have covered this ground before (in fact if my memory serves I had a dispute with Glenn about this). The key phrase from the Archdiocese's first statement on CJ was precisely: For these reasons, Mr. Johnston will also not be approved as a speaker in the Archdiocese of Denver.

The language used here is not ambiguous. It's not that CJ needs to ask permission (like anyone else). It's that permission for CJ to speak will henceforth and until further notice not be granted - even if asked - so don't ask. That's different from anyone else who may wish to speak on Church property in Denver and who may require permission to do so. It is a clear message to all the local priests and parish councils in the Denver Archdiocese: don't invite CJ to speak on Archdiocesan property, because we will not be approving any such requests. It is a clear warning shot across the bow of any rebellion-minded priest, deacon, or parishioner who may have otherwise thought about taking the path of asking for forgiveness rather than permission.

And in any case, CJ himself interpreted the statement as consistent with what he claimed was told verbally by someone at the Archdiocese's office - that if he did speak at any Archdiocesan venue after the published statement, he would be acting in disobedience to his local ordinary. And so CJ stated on his blog that he would not be attempting to speak on Church property within the Archdiocese's geographical boundaries. That's about as forbidden as you can get.

The average joe who wants to give a talk on Church property in Denver stands in very different shoes. He/she may need to get permission to speak, but the possibility of getting a yes response is in the cards. For CJ, it is not. The Archbishop's statement is an ex ante denial.

Your assertion about the Denver Archdiocese being ambiguous or hedging, while it may actually be true, is a non sequitur vis--a-vis the first published statement. That is because they made it clear that they were not attempting yet to make a determination as to his authenticity: It should be noted that the commission’s mandate did not include determining whether Mr. Johnston’s messages are divine in origin.

There is no evidence to date that would indicate that a new investigation has been (or every will be) undertaken make such a determination.

Fred Keyes said...

Clear thinking per usual, Jack. One can only hope that everyone following alleged supernatural events would "test" them with such rigor.

Meanwhile, Merry Christmas to ALL. "And let the peace of Christ control your hearts, the peace into which you were also called in one body." (Colossians 15:3)

Anonymous said...

DON'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY ABOUT THESE POOR PEOPLE...

Ann says:
December 24, 2017 at 12:44 pm


May everyone here have peaceful and blessed Christmas, come what may. Here my husband and I are experiencing, virtually by the hour, more and more attacks by the evil one to try to get us to despair of God’s perfect love and Mercy. Charlie and his writings were even mentioned by name as one of the reasons our children are cutting off relations with us! Talk about surreal. In God’s great Mercy, these trials have healed our marital relationship and strengthened our faith that God has a plan and we need to stop trying to defend ourselves and follow his example of silence and obedience to the Father as he entered His passion. We have truly entered ours, and despite the fear and feeling of complete helplessness, we know that we have been chosen on behalf of our family and friends. Our entire lives have become a suffering sacrifice in reparation for our sins and the sins of those in our spiritual territory. We do not understand what is happening or why, but we are driven to our knees in surrender to the Lord’s will. We find our ONLY refuge under His precious Mother’s Mantle. We are being carried by Him, because God knows the flaming arrows aimed at us should have killed us by now. God Bless everyone here, especially those abandoned by everyone they love the most. We are living a most remarkable experience, the full meaning of which is still not clear. Trust, obedience, and complete abandonment….

Mary said, ‘You see before you the Lord’s servant, let it happen to me as you have said.’ And the angel left her.


Beckita says:
December 24, 2017 at 12:47 pm


“Trust, obedience, and complete abandonment….” Amen, Ann! Prayers for you as you press on in God’s Love and Mercy.

Jackisback said...

Just attended Christmas Eve mass. The particular Church is half empty and this is our heavy tourist season. Though it is a bit sad to see this, we, like the Hoos of Hooville, recognize that Christmas comes just the same. Those that are here are singing.


God bless all here and at TNRS. Merry Christmas Glenn, and thanks for keeping this thread alive. I consider it a grace and a gift, for which I am grateful. Above all I wish all to remember the old chant "...in atonement for our sins and those of the whole world."

Glenn Dallaire said...


Thank you for your kind Christmas wishes Jack. May God bless you and your loved ones this Christmas and throughout the New Year!

I went to our parishes 10pm Mass last night and it was less than 1/2 full also. Actually perhaps 30% full, though I heard that the 4pm Mass was packed.

Merry Christmas to all!
Glenn DAllaire

Anonymous said...

SO WHILE SOME FAMILY RELATIONSHIPS ARE DESTROYED THIS CHRISTMAS BECAUSE OF BELIEF IN CHARLIE AND HIS MESSAGES AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF GOD...

WHAT IS CHARLIE DOING ON CHRISTMAS EVE? HE'S ONLINE BLASTING POLITICAL OPPONENTS:



Discussion on The American Spectator 43 comments
Bundy Mistrial Highlights Why the Right Distrusts the Feds
Charlie Johnston
Charlie Johnston disqus_pD4QEVSutG 13 hours ago


And voila, you demonstrate my point perfectly. This article was not about Bundy's guilt or worthiness, The author made it clear he considers Bundy disreputable. So you howl in agreement with the author on that point while studiously avoiding his actual point. His point is that the case is being dismissed because both the FBI and the DOJ withheld evidence they were required to disclose, themselves intentionally violating the law.

Is your point then that it is the preferred method of "smart" folks like you to run roughshod over the law to get people you don't like. It certainly was the preferred method of the Jacobins, Lenin's minions, Stalin's minions, Hitler's minions, Mussolini's minions, Mao's minions and other less accomplished monsters.

So if you want to prove how smart you are, address the question at hand instead of your preferred straw man. Do you support prosecutors having to follow the law and the lawful rules of evidence or do you support getting people you don't like by any means fair or foul? If it is the latter, I think it pretty dumb to support the methods of history's tyrants. If you really are incapable of discerning what the actual question is here, you are kidding yourself about your "smarts." If you are utterly unwilling to address the actual question, you may not be dumb, but you are pathetically malicious and cowardly. You, too, could be a Jacobin.


View in discussion
Charlie Johnston
Charlie Johnston disqus_pD4QEVSutG 18 hours ago

Citing an article of faith while ignoring actual...um...evidence that contradicts that faith in leviathan does NOT demonstrate how educated you are. But, hey, we'll give you a participation medal to put up on your mantle.

Bemused said...

First, Merry Christmas to all.

Glenn (or any other experts on the Internet)...

I noticed that the previous post included Charlie's name along with the Disqus handle: disqus_pD4QEVSutG:

Charlie Johnston disqus_pD4QEVSutG 13 hours ago

Do anyone know if Disqus 'recycles' user handles? If not, I found an interesting comment on another political discussion board when I Googled 'disqus_pD4QEVSutG':

disqus_pD4QEVSutG 4th April 2017 09:25:30 # 12
I have no sympathy for people that voted for Don the Con and now are surprised their land might be taken or their husband is being deported. If you are that stupid then I wish nothing but the worst for you and your family. You helped elect a man who is not mentally fit and you deserve what you get.


Now if Disqus does recycle user handles then the above was not written by Charlie, so it's just a coincidence that Disqus assigned the same handle to someone with strong political convictions.

Confused said...

Merry Christmas to all posters on this thread, and a Happy New Year.

Nice catch, Bemused. It certainly sounds like Charlie. I wonder if he'll be a full-time poster on conservative websites. I also wonder what the likes of Crew Dog and his other followers would think if they realized Charlie belittles their other idol, Trump.

L Spinelli said...

Merry Christmas to all!

The Disqus handle was someone that Charlie was responding to. I'm no fan of Charlie, you all know that well, but that wasn't him posting on that other board.

Otherwise, didn't he have anything better to do on Christmas Eve? The very last thing I'd be thinking about is stupidity on Capitol Hill.

Anonymous said...

Well, now. Christmas has passed. I hope everyone had a Merry Christmas. Charlie is running out of time fast, is he not? Will TNRS be shut down in less than six days? I hope so, but believe the opposite. If Charlie had any honor, the answer would be yes - especially since every one of his predictions has utterly failed, thus far. Not only has Charlie NOT met his burden of proof, he's been 100 percent wrong. He's also moved the goal posts, twice. First, he returned after his presidential prediction tanked, and after having been 're instructed', and second, he now says the rescue will occur before the trials? Okkk. This will be his second HUGE failure within twelve months. The question is simple: will Charlie have the integrity to first apologize and then leave the scene, in less than six days? Or, will he stay, after new & improved re instruction, with some novel twist thrown in? We all know the sad answer. LTTW, Bayside, Maria Divine Mercy & Charlie Johnston - just to name a few. At least the others left, after having been proved frauds. Will Charlie?

Anonymous said...

“If, next January, Barack Obama peacefully hands over the reins of power to Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump, I will declare myself unreliable and go away.”

Not.

If, in just 6 days, no rescue occurs, will Mr. Johnston finally go away? I for one tend to doubt it. Why? He feeds off the attention and fame. His predictions have all tanked, but who cares, right? We listen not to real, approved Catholic apparitions, such as Fatima, or to centuries of Catholic saints' writings, or to the Bible, or to twenty centuries of clear & consistent Catholic teachings, but to...........Charlie? Really? TNRS.......dump this fraud, once 7 for all. Shut down.

Jean - "The Hawk" said...

I noticed one of my comments was not allowed on TNRS - it wasn't even an anti-Charlie one, so I guess they're scrubbing lots of comments.

My take on the Charlie situation is that he will fail again. I think the diocese is letting the TNRS site continue because it gives them access to written evidence if they so need it. If someone in his diocese gets ticked off enough and accuses Charlie of something ( anything ) they will pull the plug or a mob of disgruntled parishioners goes to the diocese to complain - but, at this point there's no need to as the people running the site and Charlie are Charlie's worst enemy - the evidence just keeps piling up against Charlie and his supporters. Don't forget there are people counting on the "rescue" and they've told their family and friends - like JCrow who has stated his reputation is at stake over this. So, the TNRS may actually implode from within.

Don't forget that Charlie's message is not limited to his diocese, he has followers throughout the world, they can set up shop anywhere and as stated by Becks the site is now in Montana not Denver, so they will do everything in their power to keep the charade going and move around when needed.

Playing the fool said...

What is probably not mentioned often enough in this whole matter concerning Charlie Johnston is the fact that not only is Charlie "playing the fool" once again with the culmination of a complete failure of all of his so-called "heavenly" prophecies, but that many who followed him and parroted his predictions are also now playing the fool among their family and friends.

In other words, a lot of folks have now lost their credibility along with Charlie, and have made Catholics look like a bunch of silly fools to those family and friends outside the Church.

I know because I'm one of the ones playing the fool now that all these extraordinary predictions have failed.





Jean - "The Hawk" said...

Disregarding anything previous, Charlie has stated that this "rescue" prophecy is the only prophecy for public consumption given to him by his angel or "mary". It is very specific.
This is Becks take on the specific prophecy:
"Well said, in many ways, Teddy. Always our HOPE must be placed on Our Lord. No matter what is fulfilled in His Plan as relayed by any prophet – including fulfillment in terms literal or metaphorical, through mitigation or needed greater intensity, and via total surprise which God will surely and always interjects – The Plan to draw all people to conversion and salvation is God’s Plan." - Beckita ( I call total double speak BS on this ).

Why is Becks trying to re-interpret Charlie's specific prophesy? Why is Charlie not admonishing her for trying to re-interpret or explain his prophesy? This is always the problem with any "prophet" - they need to live up to their expectations and in this case I believe Charlie was forced to come out with his specific "rescue" statement because he was under duress and had to appease his followers - however, with 5 days to go Becks is trying to run interference for Charlie because this "prophesy" was not exactly what he wanted to say at the time, but time is running out and he has over-committed himself and it is very clear that Becks is part of the problem by encouraging Charlie. She needs to be held accountable too, it's funny that no one TNRS can see that.

Jean - "The Hawk" said...

Playing the fool @ 4:23 pm, burnt me once shame on you, burnt me twice shame on me.

You haven't been burnt a second time yet, you've disavowed his 2nd prophecy.

Look at JoeCro - he was fully committed on the 1st "prophesy" and that went nowhere, he's ranted and raved about Charlie ever since ( and before ) and with 5 days to go he will look like a fool again, his credibility will be shot in front of family, friends and message boards, so he plays politics and plays the fence and states he is doubtful on this 2nd one, yet committed by telling everyone about Charlie. Is that why he wanted this thread stopped because he was protecting his good name? He needed it stopped to redact evidence about the fact that he was warned on here about Charlie.

This will not look good on a lot of his followers, if you look at Phillip's comment: the followers of Charlie are to blame for the failed prophesy because they should have known better than to follow Charlie - trying to get Charlie off the hook again - placarding again, but since it isn't from Charlie, Charlie is off the hook":

"This is going to be tough for all of us (most especially me!) if there is no rescue…but lets get ready for a miss on this one. Lets not blame anyone except ourselves if we are upset or angry…we chose this path: to listen and believe Charlie, no one made us. I think we all agree Charlie is a righteous dude and we need to not blame him for any mistake."

TNRS people wake up you're being fooled again!

Anonymous said...

Oh, so it's "fools" now. You know, with the exception of the handful of people of good will here commenting and sincerely trying to discern, I certainly find myself having to sift through a heap of redundant rubbish to understand the counter arguments. Don't fool yourselves. Much of this is NOT discernment... just more delirious ranting. Makes me wonder if some of you have ever earnestly read the Bible with an upright spirit. Why not try a little from the Prophet Jeremiah for starters. Oh, I know some are fond of pulling out a convenient snippet or two here and there to make a point, but what good is it when it's cracked like a whip over the heads of your brothers and sisters?

And don't take me for being incensed at the comments, just flabbergasted that it seemed to reach a fever pitch during the season of Advent. Talk about squandering time...

Bemused said...

To anonymous (JC) above, I count myself as one of the fools who was taken in by Charlie.

Anonymous said...

I'm not Joe C, Bemused, and it doesn't really matter, does it. I take it that what matters (with regard to this blog) is a healthy discernment discussion. Fear in this case doesn't seem all that healthy and frankly I see it quite a bit here, reading between the lines. And it's useless to say that Charlie was spreading fear, or Charlie's blog made me afraid, or I look like a fool, or whatever. That's ridiculous. No one can make you afraid any more than they can make you mad, happy or foolish. We choose react that way. Take fear out of the mix (including anger and all the other things that are just sly variations). Or at the very least, just own it.

Jean - "The Hawk" said...

It's probably MP over at TNRS.
anon @ 11:02 and 11:37 pm - you don't make any sense.

Charlie has stated that he will play the "fool" again if he is wrong.
JC has stated that he has told his family, friends, etc. about Charlie, if Charlie is wrong he has stated he will look foolish.
How many other people have told their family, friends etc., look at Playing the fool said at 4:23 :
"In other words, a lot of folks have now lost their credibility along with Charlie, and have made Catholics look like a bunch of silly fools to those family and friends outside the Church.I know because I'm one of the ones playing the fool now that all these extraordinary predictions have failed."

I was one of the lucky ones to get out early as well.

Anonymous said...

How absurd the world is about to be rescued and CJ is fluffing around practising in his parish’s choir and blowing his own trumpet (pun intended). People make money from blogs and podcasts although this is often not at all clear to the followers of same and I suspect that is why CJ won’t let go of his enterprising activities easily.

Feel sorry for those who have been taken in by his marketing. May Christmas be born in CJ and others’ hearts during this Christmastide - now that really would be a rescue but not of the type CJ speaks of.

Anonymous said...

Of course it doesn't make any sense to you Jean . Charlie's alleged mystical experiences and prophecies notwithstanding, you come off as someone so dug in and intent on arguing your narrow position that you have forgotten how to listen. And i don't go so far as to say that you've forgotten to listen, but 'how' to listen. I listen where it's not exclusively pride (e.g. - folks who think they know the mind of God) or just plain old bitter ranting which is fruitless. I appreciate Glenn's sincere spirit, and there's plenty to be said for Jack's sensibilities and use of logic, and some other folks, but the rest is what it is.

Don't take any of my word for it though, but go ahead and take up my challenge to read the Book of Jeremiah front to back. That, and let God do all the talking.

Anonymous said...

Ah, there's an example of the rubbish (Anon 9:49). Cheap potshots, ridiculous and unfounded accusations. You're knocking him for practicing with the Church choir and doing the little right in front of him? Claiming he makes money from blogs and podcasts? Enterprising activities? Really? If you think that's an enterprise or anything even remotely resembling marketing, then you ought to know he's probably one of the worst marketers I've ever come across in my 30+ years of marketing.

You should read Jeremiah front to back too, and start focusing on something more productive.

Bemused said...

I agree with Anonymous above. There is no way Charlie is making money from his blogs and podcasts.

So that's not why he is making these prophecies. Some possible explanations are he has a mental health problem, an EXTREMELY overactive imagination and believes the self-talk in his head is actually communication from beyond the veil, or his "visitors" are not from heaven but elsewhere.

The other possibility is he is really talking to angels, but despite 60 years of training, he has misinterpreted every prophecy they gave him. Or the angels have deliberately given him false prophecies for some yet to be determined reason.

I don't understand why the archdiocese simply examined his messages to confirm they did not contradict Catholic teaching. Why didn't they submit Charlie to a mental health examination?

Mary H said...

Charlie is making money from his "sherpa" gig, guys.

‘Living Poverty?’
Charlie Johnston Made Money from His Messages for Years


On January 20, the day of Donald Trump’s inauguration, failed prophet Charlie Johnston logged online to respond to his followers. One despondent man, Karl, had written:

“You predicted a global collapse and chaos, all of this obviously before today with Trump not taking power. All of this involved serious steps, if you really believe in the prediction, and even with a deadline. I followed your advice so many times posted here, with absolutely no reserve. I waited, I waited, I waited.

Now I’m ruined and lost thousands of dollars.

Are you happy now Mr. Charlie Johnston? Can you see what happens when you insist telling everyone for year “Holy cow, everything is going to be upended, after the fall comes the fall, Obama not finishing his term, chaos before the 20th?

And now? Who will give my money and stuff back?”


Charlie quickly shot back:

Karl, if you lost money because you put it towards preparation when I told you to trust God and not focus on preparations other than prudent things you could easily afford, that is not my fault. Who will give me all the money I have forfeited by living poverty since 2010 in order to be faithful to what I was called to do? I will give no apologies to people who have taken steps I urged them not to …

Charlie’s followers, past and present, bought into the poverty notion. He wrote about his ‘voluntary poverty’ in his popular web posts; yet at the same time, Johnston didn’t hide the fact that a supporter allowed him to share a comfortable Denver area split-level home, while another of Charlie’s followers reportedly gave the self-proclaimed visionary use of a truck. (The homeowner/supporter is introduced on stage during a video of a Johnston presentation in Denver.)

Charlie toured the country making public appearances, admittedly traveling inexpensively ($300 stipend), but being wined and dined and often housed well at his destinations. He also was invited to conferences, including at least one pricey one, a $2,500 per-head affair with David Daleiden, an activist filmmaker whose undercover videos of Planned Parenthood workers made him the focus of court battles.

In addition to accepting goods and services from followers, in 2015 Charlie Johnston wrote he made hundreds of dollars a month in "walking around money” from the sale of prayer cards and other items based on his alleged heavenly visions.
Quotes from his Next Right Step blog show he found a way to turn messages allegedly given to him by the Archangel Gabriel, Our Lord, and Our Lady into ready cash.

According to a Zenit report published in 2012, the Vatican’s norms for discerning presumed apparitions or revelations red-flag those who “search for profit or gain strictly connected to the fact”—that is, those who attempt to benefit materially from what is claimed to be a singular grace from Heaven. (Guidelines can be read in full on the Vatican’s website.)

Charlie likened himself to a “sherpa,” a spiritual and political guide. Early in his “sherpa” career, Charlie forged a business relationship with Lisa Fixler of Full of Grace Supply House, which continues to carry NRS brand merchandise on its website. Charlie was involved in the production, distribution, promotion, and/or sale of a range of merchandise such as DVDs of his presentations, buttons, auto stickers, monstrances, and “squirrel” T-shirts and ball caps for his followers. (The “squirrel” imagery concerns an inside-joke for Charlie and his followers.)

CONT.

Mary H said...

Charlie discussed his financial interest in at least three blog entries in 2015. Note that his estimate of “a few hundred dollars” was posted in May of 2015, prior to an explosion of interest in his dire messages and visions.

charliej373 says:
May 19, 2015 at 10:41 am


Yes, Linda, but God has a plan in all this.
As far as the prayer books, eventually I will do that. But the Full of Grace Supply House has worked with me on these things…the prayer cards have been a good seller, which is good, because we give a ton away. But profits from those go into a pool to print up the stickers, buttons and prayer booklets…and a little walking around cash for me (surprisingly, a few hundred dollars a month). The initial printing of the prayer books will require a substantial upfront cost of several thousand dollars. So I decided I will wait until the initial cost is covered before making it available on Amazon or in a PDF format. The owner of the Supply House has treated these things as a ministry – it is not a profit center, except as building funds for producing more things and financing the free distribution. Because of prudent shepherding of those resources, I will be able to give prayer cards, buttons and stickers out at all the cities I visit to all who want them. So it will be available free, but not until original costs have been recaptured.


And here:

charliej373 says:
September 3, 2015 at 1:43 pm


Mark works full-time at his ministry and has a large family to support. My kids are grown, my needs are small, and I manage with little bits from the Full of Grace Supply House and a few friends – as well as the $300 fee at every place I go to pay cover transportation and incidentals. That is the way I want to keep it. There are already people out there accusing me of trying to get rich. Everyone who actually is in contact with me knows better. It’s actually kind of funny: even my worst enemies in politics never called me stupid. If what I am doing now is a get-rich scheme, it is a singularly incompetent one that regularly turns away offers of donations and does not allow collections. My need are small, so I will let it stay at what little is needed for me to do my work.

As word of his predictions spread later that year and the next, one wonders how much more Charlie made from the sales of these and such objects.

There is one more thing about the Full of Grace Supply House and Charlie's relationship, from Charlie’s blog entry, “Up From Chaos.” He clearly is taking a businesslike approach in the running of his growing “ministry:”

Meantime, I also am integrating my son, also Charlie Johnston, and my godson and nephew, Denton Brand, into the website as editors along with my sister, Kim Hocutt. I am writing out some guidelines for them. I am in the final edits of the “Go Forth” Prayer Booklets. I will meet with Lisa Fixler, owner of the Full of Grace Supply House Thursday afternoon to go over layout and printing. The long-promised buttons and stickers should be in later this week or early next. They will be available through Full of Grace – and I will take a bunch of them to distribute as I hit the road next month. And finally, I am actually working logistics this week for the first trip to the Southeast – and getting a helper on board to expedite arrangements for these visits. I will have a piece up tomorrow – sort of a checklist – on things that need to be incorporated into a visit, what a host needs to do to prepare and get others involved.

Charlie merchandise is still available online, from websites including FocusTV, Totally Yours Pilgrimages, Joshua’s Stone, and Full of Grace. Charlie also sells his books on Amazon, as Kindle editions under the name Charles Johnston. On his Amazon page he discusses his 2011-2012 pilgrimage and writes about his prophecy of a great shrine to be built on Mt. Meeker, Colorado. This, once again, directly links his alleged visions and mission to sales.

CONT.

Mary H said...

While Charlie and his team do not profit from every individual item sold—some vendors say they sell at cost (St. Clare Audio declares on its website no one makes anything from its recordings)—the fact is he is engaged in commerce overall. For example, Charlie repeatedly recommends St. Clare Seeds (related to the audio) as a resource.

And, don’t forget, Charlie admitted he relied on profits from sales of his popular prayer cards for living expenses. Indeed, a post from Charlie on the “Prayer of Miraculous Trust” seems designed to make vulnerable and pious people eager to order lots of prayer cards before catastrophic times arrive, to protect themselves and their loved ones:

“Right around the turn of the millennium, the archangel, Gabriel, gave me a prayer and told me the time would come when we would need miracles – and many miracles would be wrought through the faithful use of the prayer.

Right now, many things are collapsing before our very eyes.

When the normal means of healing are easily available, you should always take advantage of them. When God has provided abundant means of normal medicine, it is a presumption to demand only His supernatural medicine. Ideally, it is best to take advantage of both. But soon (and it is happening far more rapidly than I expected) availability of normal services will be spotty – and if you have something chronic or are elderly, much will not be available at all as surviving doctors start working under an implicit triage mentality because of the shortages of supplies and equipment. God will not leave you bereft.

Along with this posting I have linked to a religious supply house that has printed up thousands of prayer cards containing this prayer and instructions on how to use it. It is the Full of Grace Supply House which is also linked at the right hand of this page.
The woman who owns it gave me most of them to give away. I always carry a supply with me. I asked her to carry them in her inventory, so that as many as possible might have access to them.

Now, if you treat these as some magic object, I have utterly failed my duty to you. There is no magic in the card, nor magic in the prayer. Rather, the instructions for the prayer teach you how to align your will with that of God. Having said that, there have been many startling results from the proper use of this prayer. Let me explain…

Charlie couldn’t claim to be ignorant of the problems of getting tangled up in commerce. In 2015, he had been called out for advertising on his blog that there was land for sale to be used as “refuges” in his proclaimed coming “Storm.”

In an exchange in the comments section of a Jan. 19, 2017 post, “Time to Choose,” Charlie responds to an assertion that he had arranged for people to buy property as refuges via his blog, enabling transactions to take place. “To the contrary…I was not,” Charlie replied. After “Doug,” one of Charlie’s team members jumped in to defend Charlie, Charlie admitted:

charliej373 says:
January 20, 2017 at 6:05 pm


Very early on, someone had some property available and asked if I would mention it. I did, feeling a bit uncomfortable…then decided that sort of thing was contrary to the purpose here and so dropped that line. I did mention something once very early on at a reader’s request.

CONT.

Mary H said...

So. Acting as a real estate broker by carrying ads is the sort of thing “contrary to the purpose here,” so much so that Charlie Johnston, uncomfortable throughout, found it necessary to stop doing and, when challenged online, to disavow it.

Charlie’s 2017 statement above is in sharp contrast to a breezy attitude toward money-making displayed in a quote from 2014:

The “Full of Grace” Supply House which you will find in the links to the right, has a “Miraculous Trust” Prayer Card featuring the image of Our Lady of Tepeyac and her proper title. I gave the design and prayer to the owner, Lisa Fixler, who printed up thousands at her own expense—and gave me a ton of them to give away. She was reticent to carry them on her website as she wanted no commercialization at all. But I told her I wanted the prayer to get as wide a circulation as possible—band neither she nor I could afford to mail them to everyone, particularly if the demand grew. I was delighted when Lisa told me earlier this week that she was nearly out and asked if I had some I could give her. So if you ordered some and it was delayed, not to worry…she will have more by the weekend. God love her, Lisa worried a lot about commercialization. I laughed and told her that once they looked at the prices, anyone thinking it was a moneymaking scheme could only conclude she was very incompetent at coming up with moneymaking schemes.

Charlie has yet to disavow his long lasting for-profit relationships with Catholic vendors on line, and the revenue stream of hundreds of dollars a month he used to buy himself whatever he wanted. He has not yet said monetizing his messages makes him uncomfortable and presents a conflict of interest.

Vatican norms do not make distinctions regarding the amount of money an alleged messenger makes, nor do they address the relative value of material gains. For example, while a few hundred dollars a month may not have much meaning to a wealthy man, it might be a huge sum to a man who has been unemployed for many years, as Charlie has.

There is clear evidence Charlie Johnston benefited in different material ways from his self-proclaimed mission to guide others through a predicted catastrophic “Storm” and into “The Rescue.” The archdiocese of Denver has issued two strong warnings against following Johnston’s messages, but it has not addressed his involvement in his promotion and sale of products.

While his following has dwindled in the wake of a major failed prophecy, Charlie has not retired as he pledged he would just after the inauguration. Instead, he has re-emerged with four posts beginning May 23. In addition, on August 7, he launched a new outreach, with the first in a series of podcasts, reportedly designed to create new followers.

Though Charlie is unlikely to gain new members—indeed, as time goes by his numbers most likely will dwindle—it is disturbing that his merchandising and outreach continues.

Will the archdiocese of Denver take any action over this blatant example of Charlie’s self-interested continuation of a failed “ministry”?

L Spinelli said...

If Anonymous is who I think it is...

It's ironic that you're now posting as Anonymous, when you challenged me to an email debate a couple of months back.

Why didn't I take you up on it? Not because I was "afraid" of it - because I didn't want my email address making its way to Charlie.

Jean - "The Hawk" said...

Anon @ 9:49 pm aka Michael

You still don't make much sense, we're talking about CHARLIE JOHNSTON, not me, don't placate, and don't judge me - deal with the issue CHARLIE JOHNSTON, I give you facts and you give me mindless ramblings about me - personal attacks on my character, stick to the topic and address the facts that I've presented otherwise don't comment.
If you're willing to address and debate my issues - I'll take you on. If you want to personally attack people go back to TNRS and pick on them and see how far you get.

Glenn Dallaire said...

I would just like to point out for the record that it was Charlie who first mentioned "playing the fool" concerning his predictions, for in his Dec 6th post entitled "Fractured expectations" he wrote:

"It being December, I can’t help sweating a little, wondering if I am to play the fool for the second time in less than a year."
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Well, as each day passes here in the end of December one cannot help but think that indeed both Charlie and those who have been outspoken in following and echoing his predictions will likely soon be "playing the fool" for a second time, it seems. Time will very soon tell....

As for myself I continue to remain a neutral observer.
-Glenn Dallaire

Bemused said...

Glenn, will you be starting a new Charlie Johnston thread on January 1, or will we continue posting here?

Anonymous said...

Well, for what it's worth, I have absolutely no issues whatsoever daring to play the fool, I believe Charlie wholeheartedly, and if it turns out I'm wrong, I'll just offer up my "foolishness" to Jesus with a smile and have a good chuckle with St. Francis of Assisi who also was not AFRAID of being a fool for Christ! :)

You know it really isn't that scary making mistakes..good grief you guys! Everyone makes mistakes and you can learn a lot from them! Wouldn't you rather face God having believed with charity and simplicity instead of being found to be guilty of having little or no faith and all the judgement, anger, fear and malice? Like I said, not one of you was brought into this situation by accident... and there is still time! Remember the workers who came late and still received the same reward!

Anonymous said...

Snowy,

I would not want to face God having used His Name to spread false messages. Charlie Johnston knew his "prophecies" had failed before he even started his stunt "pilgrimage" a few years ago-both Michael Brown and Charlie's Opus Dei advisor said so in print.
Nor would I want to explain to God why I decided to ignore a formal ruling by an archbishop that instructed me not to condone or reinterpret "inaccurate" visions (plural).

Why are we supposed to have faith in a failed talk show host and used car salesman? Someone who spends his time days before his biggest prophecy is supposed to happen online ranting at other posters on a right-wing website? I'd sooner trust a Nigerian prince who needed help with his bank account.

Bemused said...

Hi Snowy,

Merry Christmas and thank you for your post. As always you express your position charitably. I'd like to comment in regards to your statement:

"..and if it turns out I'm wrong, I'll just offer up my "foolishness" to Jesus with a smile and have a good chuckle with St. Francis of Assisi who also was not AFRAID of being a fool for Christ!"

I think we all agree that to suffer for, and to be made a fool for, Christ is nothing to be ashamed of. In fact, it's a mark of God's favor. But I don't think this is about being a fool for Christ.

Charlie told us true that there'd be no presidential election, that we'd be ruled by a Regent, that civil society would break down and we'd be under Marshall law, that there would be WWIII with China, that we'd have tanks rolling down the streets taking many to FEMA camps, that money would be worthless, that we'd return to a barter system, etc. And all these prophecies have failed.

Since there has been no storm, some on the TNRS site are saying the storm was mitigated by prayer. Others are saying we got it backwards and the Rescue will come before the storm. Others are saying the Rescue is an ongoing process that has already begun and not a discrete moment in time. And one person suggested the Rescue may turn out to be a 'hidden' event similar to Christ's hidden birth.

Snowy, I was fearful of the storm Charlie predicted but I wanted him to be true because I don't relish my children growing up in a Godless post-Christian world. But I fail to see how by continuing to believe in failed prophecies makes me a fool for Christ.

God bless!

Anonymous said...

Hi Bemused, thank you- and Merry Christmas to you too! :)
I don't know the details or how this is all going happen. I am simply trusting in Jesus and Mary, waiting and praying for everyone.

Glenn Dallaire said...


Hi Bemused,
While posting a new article would start a fresh comment thread (and this would be nice as this thread currently has 2464 comments) I am opposed to posting a new article simply because I would rather not give any new attention to Charlie than I have already done (for as you probably know currently there are already 3 different articles concerning Charlie on this website, along with 1 from this past February from the Denver archdiocese), so with this in mind I am really not all that enthused about posting any new articles on Charlie, unless of course some extraordinary event(s) merit doing so. Otherwise if the "Rescue" prophecy fails to occur in the next few days, I think that this "epic" prophecy failure will very much speak for itself.

Jean - "The Hawk" said...


Who said this on January 19, 2017 @ 2:35 with no alterations:
"The evil one has deceived you into thinking you are on the right road now, doing this... yet the proof that you are on the wrong road is the sins you are committing- and it does not matter that it is Charlie, this would hold true no matter who you were smearing.. even if it were someone evil or your worst enemy! Pray for your enemies- this is what Jesus said! Look at the fruits of what you are doing! SEE! God sees.
Charlie is God's messenger and he is obeying God ... have you forgotten what happens to people who harm or kill (slander) God's messengers? Their own judgements are what they receive for themselves!"

It's the same person who said this on December 27, 2017 at 3:39 PM
"You know it really isn't that scary making mistakes..good grief you guys! Everyone makes mistakes and you can learn a lot from them! Wouldn't you rather face God having believed with charity and simplicity instead of being found to be guilty of having little or no faith and all the judgement, anger, fear and malice?"

I think this speaks for itself.

Anonymous said...

Playing the fool said...

What is probably not mentioned often enough in this whole matter concerning Charlie Johnston is the fact that not only is Charlie "playing the fool" once again with the culmination of a complete failure of all of his so-called "heavenly" prophecies, but that many who followed him and parroted his predictions are also now playing the fool among their family and friends.

In other words, a lot of folks have now lost their credibility along with Charlie, and have made Catholics look like a bunch of silly fools to those family and friends outside the Church.

I know because I'm one of the ones playing the fool now that all these extraordinary predictions have failed. I'm sorry you fell for the rantings of this nut and con man.

Sad. This fraud will be shown, yet again, to be the fraud he is, in less than 4 days. Two seperate Catholics Bishops have spoken clearly and negatively about Charlie Johnston. That alone should be enough.

Charlie predicted WW3 with China, a bad actor, an alliance with Russia, mass conversion of the Muslims, no presidential election, internment camps in the USA, global civil war, along cultural and religious lines, global economic meltdown, etc. Sigh. All bold faced lies or delusions. Charlie is also both obsessive & combative. He's basks in this totally undeserved fame.

What else needs to be added? He's been totally wrong every time. In less than four days, he'll be wrong, yet again, for the second time in less than a year. I HAVE TOLD YOU TRUE. TAKE THE NEXT RIGHT STEP, AND DUMP THIS SNAKE OIL SALESMAN!

Anonymous said...

From 'Fractured Expectations', 12-4-2017 by Charlie Johnston on TNRS blog..

"The next day I had a terrible stab of fear. I wondered, what if this was the revelation of Our Lady, the sign of the Rescue? Only a small few would even notice. So I began praying intensely that Our Lady reveal herself to the world. I was quickly and sharply rebuked by my angel who reminded me I had already been told this definitively – and that my prayers were not an act of faith, but a failure of faith. So I stopped. Then about a week ago, driving from Bakersfield up to Fresno, I absent-mindedly started praying the same thing again. Again I was sharply rebuked and, again, dropped it. There are quite a few things I am told and ordered not to reveal, less than a handful I am ordered to say publicly – but most things are given to my discretion to reveal or retain as seems best suited to hearten the faithful, taking full responsibility for what I say, never blaming God for my errors. This was one of those handful I was directed to proclaim."

Directed to proclaim..............So we see hear that Charlie was not only directed to proclaim the 'rescue' by his 'angel', but that he was twice rebuked for praying about doubts he had about the so called 'rescue', which now is coming before the so called 'storm.' Charlie keeps moving the goal posts. But, forgetting that, we must note that Charlie was directed to tell us specifically about the 'rescue' before the end of 2017, and he was actually rebuked twice by his 'angel' for his prayerful doubts.

I concur with the above post, and many like it. Charlie is crazy, or a liar, or demon deceived. I feel very sorry for anybody who attempted to bring other Christians or even non Christians into the Catholic Church, and used Charlie and his nonsense as a proof that Catholics are the real deal. Not only do Catholics look like superstitious fools, but legitimate Catholic prophecy is now greatly diminished, and a chance for a conversion to Catholicism is lost...due to Charlie's rantings. That is a tragedy that even this thread didn't explore too deeply. demons are at play here.

Anonymous said...

I noticed the commenters to Charlie Johnston’s latest fictional post are now citing Fr. Gobbi, Our Lady of All Nations, medjugorje, and others, presumably to give Charlie credibility by association, But if Charlie was true, who needs all these other apparitions? Charlie has told us true right from the angels mouth (an angel who rebukes him if he misunderstands). And Charlie has given us the very detailed description of the storm and the Rescue. So why the appeal to other apparitions when we get a very detailed description of the future from Seer Johnston?

Fred Keyes said...

If as we some of us now argue, Charlie has been aware all along that his predictions were concoctions of a politically motivated imagination, there should be a sense of betrayal on the part of all of his true believers. Following such a self-proclaimed "sherpa" is wrong-headed and spiritually dangerous.

Anonymous said...

I pray the people whom Charlie both hurt and misled are healed. and that genuine Catholic prophecy isn't tarnished via Charlie's wild imagination and deceptions. I for one left long ago, thank God. But, even I was once tarnished via association with this quack.

Anonymous said...

I believe getting involved with a false visionary can have spiritual consequences for those who follow him. Disobedience to church authority is one bad fruit evident among Charlie and his flock. Anger is another-just look at the attacks on his website and elsewhere on those who express doubts or incredulity about him. Following CJ could bring people to the attention of evil spirits. Those who have followed or promoted CJ should consider renouncing their allegiance and confessing their activity.

Spirit Daily today has an article about Fr. Chad Ripperger, a Doloran priest and exorcist who lives in the Denver area. His latest book on deliverance prayers for the laity include prayers for protection and renunciation. He might help Charlie and his followers if asked!

One interesting quote in the Spirit Daily article-Fr. Ripperger says nations have spirits attached to them,

"The generational demon in the U.S.?

“Avarice and fraud,” says Father Ripperger. [EDITED TO ADD: Avarice can include a disordered desire for attention as well as money.]

All evil pretenses, he notes, ultimately collapse of their own weight.

Demons are allowed by God because He wants us to react with and develop virtue — for example, if there is pride, a demon may be allowed to cause humiliation that cleanses a family line and leads a family reacting correctly to humility. Humility is very powerful against Satan. If there is deception, we react with the truth. If there is avarice, we are called to react with charity, mercy, and generosity — in short, humble kindness and unselfishness, which chase many dark spirits away...

Anonymous said...

LTTW, Bayside, Maria Divine Mercy, and now Charlie. All false prophets. The first three recused themselves. I'll bet Charlie won't. In fact, I'm one hundred percent sure his cult, TNRS, will make some unbelievable excuse as to why Charlie is still needed desperately.

Wait and see. Charlie will be re instructed, yet again, this time, with some novel twist added in. Charlie will briefly disappear, only to return by the end of January, 2018. No substantive details will be given. We'll just be told all is well with good ole Charlie. Then Charlie will soon begin publishing articles, with his own political spin added in. TNRS will continue, but with very few remaining moonies. Mrs. Hesse will stay, of course. As someone on this thread correctly opined, she's the keeper of the asylum.

Jackisback said...

As we continue to discuss and discern all aspects of this - as we fast approach January 1, 2018 - let us all remember to offer prayers in the posts that we contribute. I will be responding to some of the recent questions/challenges and as usual I will be quoting CJ's prior assertions for context in my responses. It will be challenging for me, in some cases, to sound charitable when doing so; but, I promise to try to remember to offer prayers for all, especially CJ and the folks at TNRS with each new post that I write.

After January 1, 2018 it is my hope that I will not have much to respond to.

God bless all, and to all a happy new year.

Anonymous said...

Prayers ascending...

jayman92 says:
December 28, 2017 at 9:12 pm


I so wanted there to be a rescue. I so wanted to be a sherpa in God’s glorious new post-rescue Earth. I so wanted to visit Mt. Meeker and see the beautiful edifice built in her shadow. So disappointing. Lord, help us all. Please don’t mistake my comment as a jab or vehemence. It’s just disappointment. Father, not my will, but Yours be done.

Beckita says:
December 29, 2017 at 1:12 am


Your closing prayer, jayman, bespeaks tremendous faith with commensurate trust in Abba and His Ways. To proclaim this in the face of disappointment is an awe-inspiring thing, a true Sign of Hope. I honor your feelings and, at the same time, I am compelled to recall with you, and all here, those from the “great cloud of witnesses” who were tested in faith and trust, who believed all was lost only to be surprised that God acted in ways far beyond their capabilities to see in the moments of disappointment. These holy ones now intercede for us and with us as we face our own tests of faith and trust.
How very much had the Jewish people prayed for their long-awaited Messiah and when Mary said, “Yes,” not another soul knew He was incarnated… HE WAS HERE WITH US! Emmanuel! And still the people prayed and prayed for the Messiah to come, continuing to wait for Him, even as Jesus was here, developing in His Mother’s womb. Oh Our Mother was full of grace, completely sinless, AND she was fully human. Who can begin to fathom the panoply of emotions she surely felt as she continued taking her next right steps, believing and trusting. Yes, “Blessed is she who has believed that the Lord would fulfill his promises to her!” (Luke 1:45) And Mary said: “My soul glorifies the Lord!” (Luke 1:46) Then I think of Joseph and all that challenged him concerning Mary’s pregnancy and the promises they had made to one another while remaining faithful to the laws of God.

I think, too, of Jesus’ disciples. He had taught them how to pray: “… your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven” (Matthew 6:10) Oh how they wanted this kingdom to come and they were yearning for Him to be the king. One time Jesus even asked the disciples who they thought he was, and “Simon Peter replied, ‘You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.'”< (Matthew 16:16) Those disciples were just sure Jesus would reign as king in Jerusalem. After all, the Angel Gabriel had said of Him: “‘He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. And the Lord God will give to him the throne of his father David, and he will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of his kingdom there will be no end.'” (Luke 1:32-33) Jesus clearly told his disciples that He came to earth to suffer, die and ressurect but they didn’t understand this. “From that time Jesus began to show his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things from the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and on the third day be raised. And Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him, saying, “Far be it from you, Lord! This shall never happen to you.” But he turned and said to Peter, “Get behind me, Satan! You are a hindrance to me. For you are not setting your mind on the things of God, but on the things of man.” (Matthew 16:21-23) And as much as Jesus had prepared His disciples, oh how they scattered in fear, no doubt filled with disbelief and extreme disappointment because of what was being fulfilled before their very eyes!...

Anonymous said...

CONT.

I don’t know what each one of us has been pondering on how we think and/or hope the prophecy of Rescue might be fulfilled. For a long while, we thought in terms of this Rescue by Our Lady as being a turning point of worldwide change with conversions and a transition into a time of rebuilding. Since Charlie’s return he has expressed that we will get to that time of rebuilding a New World – yes we will – BUT, for now, we must continue on this Via Dolorosa. We do know there will be continued struggle as God’s Plan continues to unfold.
In my own pondering, I continue to call upon the Holy Spirit to bring light and insight. I remain completely open to Our Lord and Our Lady and whatever and however They are at work in Charlie as well as in this community of TNRS and I remain open to however They have been, are and will effect the promised Rescue. I believe in Their Promise, I just don’t understand it yet… like the Jewish people, like Mary and Joseph, like the disciples who walked with Chirst 2000 + years ago, like every person of faith who has ever lived not fully understanding promises made to them. And if the Rescue doesn’t happen in ways I might have imagined, I will know it is I who have failed to clearly perceive and understand so I will continue to seek understanding, knowing that God keeps His Promises as does His Mother, she who is the Highest Honor of our Race and whose heart beats as ONE with Her Son’s.

Finally, even in this state of waiting and wondering about the meaning of all we’ve been told, I believe there WILL be a post-rescue earth with ample opportunities to sherpa those around us. (And plenty of need for sherpa activity in the year(s) ahead as this Storm continues for however long God deems it necessary.) I pray to actually make it to Mt. Meeker, in the not too distant future, and I shall bring the exquitely carved replica of the miraculous statue of Our Lady of Akita to ensconce in a special place at the Shrine that She be venerated in gratitude for all She has done and is doing for Her children. I continue to believe with all my being what we shall one day sing together:

[SONG OF THANKSGIVING]

Fred Keyes said...

Ms. Hesse certainly has spiritual-sounding talk down. Her response to "Jayman" is classic rationalization.

This is a person dishing out spiritual advice that is more the purview of trained and vetted spiritual advisors.

Does anyone know if her bishop is aware of her activities?

Regardless, let her readers beware.

Anonymous said...

Fred Keyes:

Mrs. Beckie Hesse lives in Missoula, MT, as she has stated many times in the TRNS blog. Her bishop is George Leo Thomas of Helena. There is no direct email for Bishop Thomas. However, there are addresses for the following if you are so inclined. She has never stated that her blog posts are vetted by anyone.

Vicar General
Monsignor Kevin S. O’Neill, V.G.
koneill@sthelenas.org

Chancellor
Fr. John Robertson
jrobertson@diocesehelena.org
406-389-7053

Executive Secretary
Joanna Haddon
jhaddon@diocesehelena.org
406-442-5820

Diocese of Helena
P.O. Box 1729
Helena, MT 59624
Phone (406) 442-5820

Anonymous said...

"The events of 2016/17 have shown that Mr. Johnston’s alleged visions were not accurate and the Archdiocese urges the faithful not to condone or support further attempts to reinterpret them as valid."

This was from Charlie's diocese, immediately subsequent to the failed presidential election. I feel it speaks for itself and merited re posting.

Anonymous said...

Wow. Wonders never, ever cease. Mrs. Hesse, in the face of total failure, for the second time - within a year, still spins and deflects, all in an effort to defend good ole Charlie. She really sounds fairly well versed in Scripture and Church history. Mrs. Hesse remains open to however the 'rescue' comes, or has come, or will come? Really? Damn.

Even objective & total failure won't deter Beckita. Sad, really. Pathetic, actually. So now, she remains open to however the Holy Spirit is working in Charlie? So I see the 'rescue' is still coming, but we just can't perceive it? That's the spin from TNRS cult? Objective facts mean nothing. Ok. Why not?

Anonymous said...

And if the Rescue doesn’t happen in ways I might have imagined, I will know it is I who have failed to clearly perceive and understand so I will continue to seek understanding, knowing that God keeps His Promises as does His Mother, she who is the Highest Honor of our Race and whose heart beats as ONE with Her Son’s.

OK, so the 'rescue' is happening? It's simply that we can't recognize or understand it? LOL. Charlie told us clearly that the 'rescue' would be Our Lady CLEARLY showing us that Jesus is Lord. Everyone would know. That was the point, was it not? So, obviously, TNRS cult will spin via bad logic, using smoke & mirrors to continue this charade. Just as the disciples lost faith, we too can often times lose faith. True. But, and here comes the crazy spin, Bekita believes in Jesus' word. So do I. The once huge omission is that Charlie is not, and never has been, speaking God's word. Bekita co mingles doubt as expressed by the apostles, with our collective doubt. The difference they heard the truth, and witnessed miracles. We, by contrast, have seen nothing from Charlie, except deception, failed prophecy after failed prophecy, excuses, rationalization, defiance of Church authority, argumentative behavior and spin. Bekita is cleverly mixing good Church history & apostolic tradition with Charlie & TNRS. Umm, nope.

Bemused said...

This was stated by a commenter on the TNRS blog:

I realize that my previous imaginings concerning the Rescue are inadequate. So I’m simply watching attentively."

So I guess the thinking now is that Charlie wasn't wrong but rather it was our expectations about the Rescue were wrong. Similar to how the Jews expected the Messiah to be a great political leader and yet he was born quietly in a stable.

Anonymous said...

In less than three days, this fraud will be exposed. The prior statements of Charlie's bishop were enough for me, in addition to the failed presidential prophecy. However, in three days, even Bekita will be able to spin only to a dwindling handful of misled and deceived people, and they won't last long. Most will seek a new prophet, or guru.

Anonymous said...

To Bemused....

"The Rescue is what I call the revelation of Our Lady to the whole world in which all will know that Jesus is God, Lord of all; that she is His Mother; that He honors her; and that He expects us all to do the same." Fractured Expectations, by CJ on 12-4-17.

Charlie was quite clear. Yep, Charlie told us true. But we messed up in our expectations. Some did, by ever believing this snake oil salesman! Unbelievable.

Anonymous said...

WHILE BECKITA IS HOLDING DOWN THE FORT, CHARLIE HAS GONE ONLINE AT THE WASHINGTON TIMES TO RANT ABOUT SHELIA JACKSON LEE AND THE NFL:


Charlie Johnston TO Nemacolin • a day ago

Would you give the grievance-mongering a rest? Yeah, we get it...you support the entitled congresswoman who bumped an ordinary American from her seat because she is SO important. What sophomoric drivel you come up with to avoid the issue...but who cares about the little people in your world.


Charlie Johnston a day ago

You can't imagine why people wouldn't watch because of protests that aren't televised?! You have revealed that you are the anti-American football league to us, a fan base that is mainly composed of patriotic Americans. You disgust us, so we are gone.

You seriously doubt any single factor contributes more than 2% of the decline?! You have already lost many of us - and desperately need a concerted effort to win us back. Instead you studiously ignore the elephant in the room - and think we are all stupid.

I pray that Vince McMahon or someone else gets a new football league put together comprised of patriots with character. I have not watched football the last two seasons - and I miss it. But not enough to ever watch your ugly league again.


ALL CHARLIE'S COMMENTS ONLINE - OUTSIDE TNRS - ARE HERE:
https://disqus.com/by/charliejohnston/

Anonymous said...

BECKITA IS LIKE THE DELUDED GIRLFRIEND WHO DOESN'T REALIZE HER GUY HAS MOVED ON...

anne says:
December 29, 2017 at 1:42 am


Such a beautiful response Beckita. thank you for being the Mother of the group.


Beckita says:
December 29, 2017 at 1:59 am


Oh Anne! This mother is listening and singing, with Kitty, the Song of Thanksgiving as tears are streaming in unison with Our Lady of Akita and in awe-filled gratitude to Our Lord and Our Lady for ALL They have done and continue to do for us. They do not disappoint. They simply can not. Pure Love deserves to be trusted. The Source of ALL Goodness is incapable of making us sad and weary. It is we who must correct our vision, our thinking, our focus and, surely, our feelings will follow. I mean that in no disrespect to anyone here. The sharing of feelings and challenges are human and healthy. I weep, too, for the beauty of faith expressed and for Christ’s Love poured out as the people of this community minister to one another. GREAT is the work God began in Charlie. May God continue to bless each of us and all of us together as we wait, watch, pray and act – with every wee step – in joyful hope for all God’s Promises to be fulfilled in His Perfect Ways and Timing.

Jean - "The Hawk" said...

I was watching a video of the 20,000 people who live on the streets in tents and other make-shift shelters right on the sidewalk in Los Angeles. I look at most of the major US cities - Detroit, Baltimore, Philadelphia, to name a few and realize this is happening in what is supposed to be a developed country.
I pan through Charlie's site and there are a lot of people barely making ends meet like the guy who was living in a tent in the middle of winter in North Dakota, or the guy who spent all his remaining money last year to survive the "collapse", or the older woman with no family, friends, or money, etc.
There are many other people with all sorts of other issues beside money - health, confusion, spiritual stress, etc.
Most are a broken lot.
So it's hard not to realize that someone like Charlie in the flesh can provide relief through a "rescue" "hope" "prayers" "message board". Plus you can talk to Charlie and people of similar ilk in similar situations because he has a direct relationship with God - whether real or not. People have bought into it because they need "hopeium".
Did you ever notice all his prophecies go right to the end - Obama will not finish his term, Trump will not be inaugurated, and this latest one the "rescue" in late 2017.
People need "hopeium" and we hang on right to the end with "hopeium".
I'm sure Charlie will come up with another one post 2017 to keep the "hopeium" going.
Remember Charlie is from a political background, he knows how to play the game. Bush 1 - "read my lips no new taxes", "Sadam has WMD and must be taken out to save the world".
TNRS people there will be NO RESCUE before the end of 2017 - you have been conned, if you must read legitimate Catholic prophets, this site is a wealth of knowledge and inspiration. Stick to your basic faith - Sacraments, Rosary, Mass - what more do you need?

Bemused said...

Let me get this straight...

Angels have told Charlie about a worldwide rescue of humnanity that will occur before the end of 2017. According to Charlie it will be an event greater than the flood and unknown since the foundation of the world. So how does Charlie spend the remaining days leading up to this event? By making posts on political websites concerning Sheila Jackson and the NFL:

https://disqus.com/by/charliejohnston/

Fledgling said...

Just my experience and maybe it will help someone. I periodically commented on Charlie’s blog, usually gently questioning something, and I always received a charitable reply. Curious to see what he was like in person, I went to one of his talks. He seemed sincere, but I didn’t hear anything new to help me discern. A priest in the audience finally asked him about his visitations and his process for determining whether they were from God. I saw an immediate flash of anger as if he were insulted, followed by a chuckle and then a vague answer that he’d had the same spiritual directors for years and we could trust in his process. Well, I wasn’t reassured and should have walked away at that point, but I met some wonderful people who seemed to be much more devout than me and I needed some Catholic friends, so I stayed connected. Everyone seemed to have a “wait and see” approach, so I thought no real harm. However, the more I read Charlie, the more the anxiety started to creep in, the more I felt I needed to do some “prudent” physical preparations, the more it played into my pride and ego (although I didn’t realize it at the time) that I was being chosen to help friends and family through the coming storm… the more I began to say “Charlie says” and wait for his next meaty post. To clarify, I didn’t do anything extreme, but it sent me down the wrong path in both my thoughts and actions and it was easy to justify because my intentions were good.

The next time I saw Charlie in person, it was at a “storm dinner” and once again he seemed sincere, but not as open as I thought he would be in a private setting. I continued to pray for wisdom and asked for a specific sign to help me in my struggle to discern. To my stunned surprise, I received it, but found it hard to believe, so I continued to follow his blog. But when the presidential prophecy failed, that was it. The “told you true” moment meant to inspire confidence didn’t happen. Having never been caught up in anything like this before, I was astonished when people started putting a spin on the failed prophecy. I then began to wonder if encouraging storm dinners and squirrelly banter in the comments section was a clever marketing strategy meant to create tight knit groups of people who, having come to know and care about each other, would naturally hang on. I remember him chastising someone for not staying on topic and then all of a sudden, he embraced and encouraged it. I don’t, however, judge his followers because we all have weaknesses that make us vulnerable. I don’t know what’s up with Charlie, but I think in following him, God intended for me to learn a few lessons…I learned what makes me vulnerable and what I need to guard against…I learned how fear can tempt me into listening to a questionable prophet…I learned the central message may seem sound, but the details may be full of red flags I should pay attention to…I learned even a “wait and see” approach can be harmful because it can subtly influence decisions during the days leading up to the predicted event and thereafter…I was reminded praying and staying close to the sacraments is the surest way to discern and follow God’s will…and I was reminded I should trust what He’s telling me in my heart. I do believe there are authentic prophets calling us to do God’s will in present times and reminding us of his love and mercy and they are calling us to do sacrificial things (fasting, saying the rosary, going to confession and partaking in the Eucharist) not giving us specific insider info.

If we avoid all prophecy, like some have suggested, we may miss a help or direction God intends for us to have in our times to better serve Him, but it’s our job to discern and to be alert to the signs lest we be misled, distracted, and spiritually harmed. It's tricky business for this fledgling.

Jean - "The Hawk" said...

The "event" is so great that the "angel" assigns Charlie Johnston to announce it? I don't think so - in the words of Charlie "poppycock", "pure, unaltered poppycock".

Last year at this time he took holidays, I believe to visit family so he couldn't care take and sherpa his TNRS site before the inaugeration and Obama's last days. He also encouraged Kitty Cleveland to promote her singing career in the new year after the world was to be in total chaos - go figure.

Charlie takes his prophecies very seriously.

TNRS will not be the same post 2017, it will probably still exist but under more scrutiny from Becks local Bishop if not closed.

L Spinelli said...

Great post, Fledgling. Thanks for a very valuable first hand account.

What caught my eye was the flash of anger. I noticed the same overconfidence in the "Birmingham Dinner" video. Charlie was so sure that he was speaking to God and His archangel that he didn't consider any other possibility. I'd discerned by then that something wasn't right with him, but this overconfidence was, to put it bluntly, a turn-off.

I didn't go to any of Charlie’s presentations or any "Storm dinners", but this wasn't the first time that I heard Charlie was guarded and enigmatic in person.

Someone else mentioned recently that distractions like Charlie's failed prophecies are lobbed by the devil to distract Catholics from the real ones and also living an ordinary Catholic life focused on the Sacraments, the Mass and regular prayer. As we chug along to January 1, 2018, less than three days away, it's more timely than ever.

Jean - "The Hawk" said...

Good points Fledgling - I do believe the gospel message a few weeks back on a Wednesday Mass was "I send the Prophets - but test them" the Priest was right on target when he asked Charlie how does he know the messages are from God, even people on his site have been kicked off for questioning him with basic question. People like Snowy, who come here to post think you can ask Charlie anything, I don't think Snowy knows people who question him are usually booted off his site - good luck with that - that's why we're at this site because we don't have a voice at Charlie's site.

Anonymous said...

This is the ancient heresey of Gnostocism, i.e. secret knowledge, repackaged, and designed to feed off our collective fears about a troubled world. Clever & evil. I'll post a lenghty opinion on Monday, when even Mrs. Hesse can't hide the face of a deceiver any longer.
Jim D.

Anonymous said...

NOT WITH A BANG, BUT A WHIMPER...

Beckita says:
December 29, 2017 at 3:19 pm


Great to hear from you, Mike. Charlie will surely speak soon. I completely trust his timing and note that 2017 has not yet ended. As to the musings and pondering shared here, there has been a long standing tradition of doing so and not with the intent of vain speculation. Rather, we are an online family with individuals who share our thoughts concerning these times in light of the faith we profess. Further, the comments have always been a rich resource for refining thinking, supporting one another and reaching deeper understanding. Our Lady is the preeminent disciple of Christ who taught us by noble example: “But Mary treasured up all these things and pondered them in her heart.” (Luke2:19) Too, contemplation has been encouraged by Charlie in both his writing and speaking on these times.

When you ask if Charlie plans to speak, clearly and directly, I remind us all that Charlie isn’t a typical seer who receives messages from a heavenly visitor in order to repeat them, verbatim, to us. In his piece, Lord Save Us; We Perish, Charlie reminded us of something he has conveyed throughout his writing posted at this blog: “One of the frustrations I often had was that people constantly had the wrong idea about all of this. It is not simple. I am not a seer, given simple messages to pass on verbatim. I was called to act and to do: to defend the faith, hearten the faithful, and defend the faithful. God uses each man’s authentic personality in the work He assigns – and expects that man to figure it out. Throughout the Bible, God frequently responds to the questions of the nervous servants He sends by simply saying, “I will be with you,” while not answering their direct question. I think I best expressed a simulacrum of how it is in the piece, “Through a Glass Darkly.” In the end, you must assess for yourself. Look at the full body of my work. After the inauguration, I saw that that was not the only thing I had misinterpreted. Yet on the larger picture, the trajectory and sweep of the cultural breakdown, the worldwide descent into a global civil war fought on cultural lines, I have been consistently dead on. I always maintained that believing was not enough: you had to choose to serve, whatever the cost.”

So, we press on, Mike, praying, watching and waiting on Our Lord and Our Lady, knowing that Charlie will, indeed, be writing again, very soon. God bless us one and all.

Fred Keyes said...

It bears repeating that Charlie's "...larger picture, the trajectory and sweep of the cultural breakdown..." is something that many of us have seen since the 60s after the sexual revolution, the pill, and abortion took hold...along with the Viet Nam War. That "grand sweep of things" has been growing since then and has continued to grow in seemingly stronger in the years since. But truth be known, it's the life Christians have experienced for 2000 years. To paraphrase St. Paul, "every age is an evil age."

So, sorry Charlie, but that prophecy has already been taken. As it says in Ecclesiastes, "What has been, that will be; what has been done, that will be done. Nothing is new under the sun!" ECCL 1:9

Bemused said...

To Anonymous above, I saw Beckita's response to Mike that you posted.

Charlie says: "I am not a seer, given simple messages to pass on verbatim."

OK, fine. But Charlie did pass on VERY SPECIFIC messages in terms of what would happen (economic collapse, FEMA camps, WWIII with China, 26 million dead), and VERY SPECIFIC messages in terms of when it would happen (late 2017).

So why can't Charlie now speak clearly and directly as to where we are today?

L Spinelli said...

When you ask if Charlie plans to speak, clearly and directly, I remind us all that Charlie isn’t a typical seer who receives messages from a heavenly visitor in order to repeat them, verbatim, to us.

Then what was the point of repeating both the Presidential Prophecy (failed) and the Rescue (likely about to fail)? Wasn't he "ordered" to tell that to all of humanity?

Why can't they get their stories straight? ;)

Anonymous said...

In his article "Go Forth", Charlie reveals eight worldwide events that are said to occur::

"I only have eight public prophecies that I insist on. Only the visible, miraculous Rescue by Our Lady, the Immaculate Conception in late 2017, is time sensitive. Five things must happen between now and the Rescue, but can happen at any time during that period...."

Charlie will be the only so called prophet that I have ever heard of that actually has not got a single prediction correct. And not even included in the 8 very soon to be complete failures highlighted in this article above is the double failure of the "Obama will not finish term/next president will not be elected" fail, not to mention also the "Jericho march" to Washington DC fail, and also the "last traditional Christmas" fail back in 2014. That is what, 11 or so fails right there? And no one, not even Charlie, can mention even 1 successful prediction, though he often says that he has been right in the "grand sweep of things". Yeah right.

Not even one correct prediction, talk about a TOTAL fail! As luck would have it or at least on a human guessing level he should have gotten at least one prediction out of 10+ right, but no. His failure is total and complete.

Jean - "The Hawk" said...

After reading Snowy of TNRS from the previous year who encouraged us to ask legitimate questions of Charlie and TNRS to get answers, I posted these 2 questions separately to Becks:

1) Becks, are any of your comments vetted for concurrency with the Holy Catholic Church - namely your local Bishop - Bishop George Leo Thomas of Helena, Montana? and

2) Becks - let me repeat: Becks, are any of your comments vetted for concurrency with the Holy Catholic Church - namely your local Bishop - Bishop George Leo Thomas of Helena, Montana?
Additionally: Are you under the authority of Bishop George Leo Thomas?
Are you loyal to Pope Francis?


Both posts blocked and scrubbed. Why? What is Becks up to? These are legitimate questions her and Charlie's followers should know the answer to, according to Snowy Owl TNRS is transparent.

Jackisback said...

Compare Ms. Hesse's commentary today,For a long while, we thought in terms of this Rescue by Our Lady as being a turning point of worldwide change with conversions and a transition into a time of rebuilding. Since Charlie’s return he has expressed that we will get to that time of rebuilding a New World – yes we will – but, for now, we must continue on this Via Dolorosa. We do know there will be continued struggle as God’s Plan continues to unfold. We also know that in the Rescue Our Lady will come, everybody will see her and everybody will know that God is, that Jesus Christ is Lord, that Mary is His Mother and that He wants us back. But what we don’t fully understand is exactly how They will accomplish all of this.

and then in the next paragraph,Some may perceive this as spinning the story of Rescue or reinterpreting it.

to these previous quotes from CJ:

1) on July 9, 2015 - from CJ's transcript of the Birmingham video (which as L. Spinelli reminded us recently the video has inexplicably been purged from being viewable anywhere, making the written trasncript as the only available record of that event) -

I’m here to inform people because they’ll remember. It is kind of memorable if somebody tells you an angel told me this, you’ll remember it, and when those things happen, they will see the Hand of God behind it and instead of panicking, instead of becoming part of the chaos, will be part of helping other people. That’s the purpose behind it.

The thing is it will get progressively worse and more hopeless. The great thing is, and this is a very unusual thing because I was given a specific time frame. I didn’t like to do it but I’ve been ordered to tell people this time frame. Things will get worse and worse. It’ll seem hopeless but in very late 2017, Our Lady, the Immaculate Conception, will come to visibly and miraculously rescue all of us.

Q: When you say bad, bad as in, say civilization collapses?
C: Yes, civilization collapses, the world economy collapses, global civil war, all the infrastructure is taken out for a while;

Q: So that first couple of weeks is going to be very difficult?
C: Oh! People will be panicking. People think that their steaks come from the store. You know? And the trucks are going to stop.

Q: So you said at the end of 2017 is when Our Lady
C: Very late
Q: So this chaos could last a year or a year and a half?
C: I had expected it to last much longer. In fact, I expected it to last for five years. God never changes His mind....There’s a lot that’s going to happen in the next two and a half years. That’s all we’ve got. If you’re going to take a flogging, it’s a lot better to take for two and a half years than for five.

Q: Is your understanding of the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart as being a miraculous intervention brought about by the actions of Our Lady?
C: No. A miraculous intervention that will be visible to all is what I’ve been told. Nobody will be mistaken about what it is and when it comes.
Q: So that event will be overwhelming or convincing?
C: Everybody will see. Now, I’ve spent most of my life saying, “Lord, if You would just show everybody else what You’re showing me, we wouldn’t need a Storm because they would all repent.” And I look now and you don’t need to be a prophet to see what’s coming now and they’re doubling down. Once again, the Lord was right and I was wrong. This will be visible to all. There’ll be no mistaking it.
Q: Do you have the impression that will lead to the majority coming back to the faith and assuring their salvation?
C: I do not have that impression. What I know is that almost everyone will be Christian and unified after that. There will be remnants of other things but, yes, this will convince almost the whole world.

Q: Those who are left or those, I mean…
C: Everyone on earth. I’m not being ambiguous about this. EVERYBODY on earth, alive at that time.
Q: So this will be an unprecedented event?
C: Absolutely… absolutely.


continued...

Jackisback said...

…continued from prior post:

My job is very narrow and short: get us through the Storm, defend the faith, hearten the faithful, defend the faithful; get us to the other shore and then my job is ended. All I’ve got after that is to help raise funds and get people going for the shrine that will be built, the great Shrine of Thanksgiving up at Mt. Meeker. It will become a place of pilgrimage. Go on my website, charliejohnston.org, and just type in “The Shrine” and that will tell you about the shrine and the architect’s drawings on it. That will be the premiere place of pilgrimage in the world for people to give thanksgiving for the Rescue that comes, that unprecedented event. Mt Meeker is about nine miles south of Estes Park on Route 7 in Colorado. Unmistakable mountain. I first saw it in a vision, described it and, well, I write about it. That’s an amazing story.
Q: So there’ll be one church?
C: Yah! ...

Q: Do you continue to talk to the angels while sitting in a room like this or tonight when you go to bed? The angel or the angels?
C: It’s primarily been one angel but there have been others.
Q: Does he talk to you while you are here with all of us?
C: He hasn’t talked to me tonight.
Q: When you’re sitting at dinner with the family does he say, “Hey?”
C: He usually doesn’t interrupt. He usually doesn’t do that. If somebody’s going to come around sometime while I’m in the midst of folks, it’s usually Jesus. He has the right, wherever he shows up...normally, they (the visitors) come whenever they want to, but they don’t come when a lot of people are around. Sometimes they do.

Q: What does Jesus look like?
C: Actually there’s a picture. Ask Jeff Hahn. He’s got a picture that kind of staggered me today...I will say this: one thing I did use what I would consider a little inside information about, on the Shroud of Turin, it’s somewhat distorted when you see the image, just because of the shroud. When I looked at it, I said, “That’s him.” It’s a little bit different but that’s Him. But get Jeff Hahn’s picture. Jeff, if you get a copy of that to show, that is the way He is physically built, the hair, that’s the best representation I’ve ever seen.

Q: Charlie, you’re saying that people will retain free will. So during the Storm we will have people reject?
C: Of course you will.
Q: So we will be at peace but with people choosing to reject, will there not still be a battle between good and evil?
C: No. After the Storm is over, the people who chose evil lose.
Q: But how does that manifest itself?
C: ...This is the decisive battle between good and evil. Good wins; evil loses. We’ll still retain free will. Eventually, people will go into a mass apostasy. People will either convert or die...He said, “You must tell them true and they must choose or perish.” End of discussion.

Q: Jesus or the angel?
C: That was the angel. If there’s rough stuff to be said He (Jesus) lets the angel take care of that. I mean, He says some difficult things but Jesus kind of has a wry sense of humor.

Q: So good wins and evil loses.
C: Good wins; evil loses. Satan is chained.


Continued…

Jackisback said...

2) and from Linda Summerfield's summary blog:

The Rescue

...what he had actually told me was that the Rescue would come very late in 2017.
...I specifically cite very late in 2017 for the Rescue... I think I am ordered to give that specific time-frame because the Storm will be so furious near its end that many will have lost hope.
...I am told that all will see it and it will be undeniably miraculous. And since Our Lady’s coming will result in our rescue from what all think is imminent certain destruction, it will reach fertile ground.

...Song For The Time Of Rescue

I saw and heard it in a vision of the time of Rescue...A multitude of people and saints were coming up to the big house in the mountains...In the vanguard, leading them, was Our Lady, suffused with joy and triumph.
In early August of 2011 I sojourned a few weeks in Austin, Texas...On Monday, August 8...suddenly a very chilly wind blew. As it passed, the Archangel Gabriel appeared to me and said, 'The fall has begun.' I thought he was talking of the miserable heat, but he made me to understand that we had entered into Armageddon on that morning. Now, Armageddon is not the end of the world. Rather, it is the decisive battle between good and evil. It will be followed by a great period of Christian unity, peace, and authentic prosperity. That is what will come in the very late fall of 2017, after we have been through the greatest crisis in the history of Western Civilization. Governments will fall, including our own...

The Lord will send Our Lady to rescue us visibly in the late fall of 2017. Rescue will not come until all, including me, have lost hope. When that time comes, pretend to have hope, remembering that faith is an act of the will, until Our Lady comes.

Beware of alleged prophets...But a Catholic prophet must, first and foremost, submit himself wholly to the authority of the Church. That does not mean he is authentic – but if he does not do it, he cannot be authentic.


Again, I pray for Ms. Hesse, for CJ, and for all at TNRS. I do not condemn. The quotes and their context speak for themselves.

Glenn Dallaire said...


Excellent work Jack. Thanks for bringing these important facts to the forefront once again. It provides key context for this current time period.

I join you and others here in prayer for Charlie and all those involved in this matter.
-Glenn Dallaire

Fred Keyes said...

Even Ms. Hesse admits that as her deadline nears, fear preoccupies many of their true believers. Even after the presidential failure.

As I type we are less than 20 hours from the end of 2017. I measure from the point on earth—the east side of the international dateline—where 2017 ends officially. Or maybe the predictions will come true only in those time zones where 2017 hasn't ended yet? :) See how ridiculous all this prediction angst is?

By the way, as much as possible I refuse to besmirch the word "prophecy" to describe CJ's predictions.

Anonymous said...

I'll post a long article, very early on new years day, which sums up the long and twisted tale CJ has spun. However, for now, I'll limit my comments to just a few.

Charlie has hurt & misled a lot of people. I feel deep sorrow for Mrs. Hesse, and all those poor, vulnerable souls at TNRS. They ARE in my Rosary. If I hate, it's only the lies Charlie has told, and the pain he has caused. I don't hate him, and I do pray for him.

These failed prophecies, and there are approximately 15 bold faced failures, are demonic in genesis, and, I assert, designed to diminish belief in legitimate Catholic prophecies. Charlie has fed off everyone's collective fears about a troubled world. As I wrote, many have been hurt. Charlie should apologize and disappear. Period. Prayers and healing are in order here.

Jim D.

Anonymous said...

CHARLIE NOT RESPONDING TO BECKITA'S CALLS/EMAIL. SHE'S PUNTING

Beckita says:
December 29, 2017 at 3:19 pm


Great to hear from you, Mike. Charlie will surely speak soon. I completely trust his timing and note that 2017 has not yet ended. As to the musings and pondering shared here, there has been a long standing tradition of doing so and not with the intent of vain speculation. Rather, we are an online family with individuals who share our thoughts concerning these times in light of the faith we profess. Further, the comments have always been a rich resource for refining thinking, supporting one another and reaching deeper understanding. Our Lady is the preeminent disciple of Christ who taught us by noble example: “But Mary treasured up all these things and pondered them in her heart.” (Luke2:19) Too, contemplation has been encouraged by Charlie in both his writing and speaking on these times...



Holy Mary, Mother of God
Posted by Beckita on December 29, 10:38 pm


"Anchored in faith, we are waiting for the Rescue. From readers’ comments, it is evident that waiting while in the thick of confusion and division evokes a certain angst. Some are wishing for a word of reassurance from Charlie, yet, he has said what he has said and made clear that he doesn’t ask for a bit more information than what his heavenly visitors give him. Unfailingly, he has presented himself as who he is: a useful tool in the Hands of the Master. I trust Charlie and, in turn, I trust his discernment and decision-making, including this time of waiting to hear from him, yet, I do not write to defend him. He has fully demonstrated he is an honorable man. I also do not speak for Charlie. I write today, simply, as a member of this community to reflect on the One IN Whom I trust, above and beyond any other, and on His Mother...

Anonymous said...

JOE CROZIER PLEADS FOR A "CRUMB" FROM CHARLIE

Joe Crozier says:
December 28, 2017 at 4:58 pm


I feel we are all under huge attack from the evil one either in its mockery of failure or in its anger at success….not just talking about The Rescue but all the genuine hopes of the faithful including my own about Garabandal. I am so tired and stiff and sore from head to feet. I feel very weak. My motivation today is very very low. Ultimately though we are obliged to own our own process – to accept responsibility for our choices and to continue on the way of The Cross behind Jesus. May we all find a Simon to help us on the way and share the load. May we all find the strength to help others. May we never lose sight that The Cross is our personal key to the kingdom. Keep the faith my friends. It may not be with a hop, skip or a jump but a trudge will get us there too. Keep right on to the end of the road so that our mission with His may be accomplished. With God all things are possible. God bless us one and all.

(One of my brothers once called me a sanctimonious b……d. If I sound a bit like that please have a laugh)

I wonder what Gabriel has been telling Charlie. I wonder if Charlie can further hearten the faithful with regard to this last and steepest part of the climb. C’mon Charlie – throw us a bread crumb. Even this old doubter is hungry for one. All those who have stayed true to Charlie’s prophesy are safe. The worst that can happen is that they are shown to be mistaken. So What, we all make mistakes. The likes of doubters such as myself may be in for a rougher ride if Mary appears. Heaven hath no fury etc

Fred Keyes said...

I have to say, I'd love to meet and have a glass of wine with the one brother Doc Crozier speaks about.

Anonymous said...

Oh, Charlie, are you there? Charlie........

Anonymous said...

Joe Crozier says:
December 29, 2017 at 7:49 pm


Hi again – and perhaps for the last time.

I am trying to be sensitive to the hopes and faith of many here. You have become my friends and made me welcome in your homes and in your hearts. I would do nothing to harm you or add to your burdens.

Of course Our Lord and Our Lady deserve our trust. Of course they always give what is best. But it seems that the spirit who informed Charlie about the inauguration did not give at all well. There is no room for misunderstanding in the statements “Obama will not complete, Trump will not be elected.” If that mis-information came from an angel called Gabriel it was not The Archangel Gabriel. It was not from a good angel.

We know that because it was evidently not true. The heavens would not allow the good name of Mary’s messenger to be so besmirched by allowing him to convey false news.

I have to ask – did the assurance that Obama would not complete his term of office and that the president would not be elected from the political arena come from Charlie’s angel. Or was it just from Charlie? We were certainly given the impression that this was a revelation from heaven. Is there more than one spirit involved in Charlie’s visitations?

The political and military and economic projections expressed by Charlie are not and have not been unique to himself. Such debate and opinion has been commonplace for many, many years. None of that attracted me to TNRS. None one of that kept me here.

Only the promise of another visit from Our Blessed Mother and a renewed assurance of of her care and concern in The Rescue has held my attention. Only my inability to reconcile this word from Charlie with my faith in Garabandal has caused me consternation.

I am not confused. I am very clear in my mind. I am clear that Charlie’s angel has not spoken truth in such a way that Charlie could clearly convey his message and that as such Charlie is not to blame for the way we have been short changed. Charlie was not the only one to be deceived.

Compensation for this deficit has, however, been made in full in the love and prayers so evident among those who have stayed with the course of rescue even though that course has changed. God bless them and preserve them.

Thank you for your care and your humour, for your great example of tolerance, patience and
kindness, for your courage and your wisdom. For your Christian charity.

At this stage I have to say with a heavy heart that should Mary not appear in the usual understanding of the word “appear” I would not feel safe in appearing on this forum again. Such a failure would suggest the presence of a spirit of lies, not just a lack of understanding.

At the risk of repeating myself unnecesarily – If Charlie’s spirit has told him Mary will be visible to all mankind with all the promised knowledge by the end of this year and this does not happen then we have been told a lie. Charlie’s only fault will lie in believing that lie. And who could blame him having been so well deceived.

Better death from a sword than betrayal from a kiss. If this prophesy fails let us finish the life of this forum with a coup de grace. If it represents a lie it is an insult to the one who is Full of Grace, the one to whom the real Archangel Gabriel revealed the Incarnation. Joachim and Anna bestowed an earthly name on Mary. Gabriel did not address Mary by her earthly name but the name that God bestowed, Full of Grace. A truly beautiful name. A true revelation.

Bemused said...

Well said, JoeC. God Bless.

Anonymous said...

I notice no word from Charlie on TNRS. Even the great spin master will have a hard time double talking his way out of this one. I'd have some respect for him if he admitted that he now clearly sees that he had been conversing with a fallen angel, and that he was truly sorry for disobeying Church authority. So far, nothing.

Anonymous said...

One has to give credit where credit is due and that is a very well reasoned and sincere comment from Joe Crozier, and it goes right to the heart of the matter.

Anonymous said...

Agreed. Joe Crozier's statement is graceful and a gentle end to a false prophet's blog. Joe, at least, told it true.

Anonymous said...

Happy New Year, 2108 (almost)!
Charlie will surely speak soon. TNRS, 12-29-17, Beckita. That, in a word, IS the problem.

Charlie has hurt & misled a lot of people. I feel deep sorrow for Mrs. Hesse, and all those poor, vulnerable souls at TNRS. They ARE in my Rosary. If I hate, it's only the lies Charlie has told, and the pain he has caused. I don't hate him, and I do pray for him. These failed prophecies, and there are approximately 15 bold faced failures listed below, are demonic in genesis, I assert, and designed to diminish belief in legitimate Catholic prophecies.

Now that the ball is about to fall in Times Square, Charlie Johnston has been revealed to be the false prophet we all knew or at least strongly suspected him to be. In addition to numerous failed predictions, Charlie has moved the goal posts twice, been both combative and obsessive, and has been in complete disobedience to lawful Church authority. As a reminder, two separate Catholic Bishops spoke very clearly and very negatively about Charlie. He was strictly forbidden to speak on Church property in his own diocese, and the faithful were urged not to try to interpret his failed predictions as somehow accurate, subsequent to the failure of the presidential election prophecy. The magisterium has clearly spoken. “Beware of alleged prophets...But a Catholic prophet must, first and foremost, submit himself wholly to the authority of the Church. That does not mean he is authentic – but if he does not do it, he cannot be authentic.” Charlie deserves no platform, and really never did.

He falsely predicted: WW3 with China, a bad actor; 26 million dead; alignment with Russia; mass conversion of the Muslims; a global civil war, fought along racial & religious lines; a global economic meltdown; internment camps being established in the USA; establishment of a barter economy; the last traditional Christmas – in 2014; infrastructure being broken down; no 2016 presidential election; Obama not finishing his term & his subsequent conversion; Trump not being inaugurated; the uniting of Christianity under one shepherd; the establishment of ‘Mayberry’; the ‘rescue’ occurring after the ‘storm’; and then – a worldwide ‘rescue’ occurring, by the end of 2017. Seventeen false predictions, and now – nothing; nothing at all. Charlie’s ‘angel’ had allegedly told him directly and very specifically about this ‘rescue’ – of all humanity, which will occur before the end of 2017.
“You must tell them true and they must choose or perish.” “What he had actually told me was that the Rescue would come very late in 2017.” According to Charlie, it was to have been an event greater than the flood, and unknown since the foundation of the world. He even said he was strongly admonished by his ‘angel’, when he doubted the ‘rescue’, and that he ‘told us true’. He was quite specific. Umm, not ok, at all. Charlie is a liar/fraud, crazy/delusional, demon – deceived, or any combination of the above. In any case, he must be rightly categorized as a fraud.

Anonymous said...

Cont'd...
The so called ‘rescue’ has failed. It should be noted that this is the second huge failure, within a year. I had once told many non - Catholics about the presidential election, which wasn’t supposed to occur. I was using the presidential prophecy, and many of Charlie’s other predictions up to that point, to demonstrate to others that the Catholic faith and genuine Catholic prophecy were the real deal – so that they’d convert to our sacramental faith. They are the real deal; Charlie isn’t. Since nothing occurred, yet again, none of them will ever become Catholic, and, worse, will always regard us as superstitious fools.
First the presidential prediction and now the ‘rescue’ both turned out to be nonsense. Charlie has misled & hurt a lot of people. Some lost a great deal of money, preparing for the ‘storm’. I lost credibility, a while back, which was my own fault. My reputation was tarnished, as were those of others on this thread and at TNRS. I stopped following Charlie, immediately after the failure of the presidential prophecy, and Archbishop Acquila’s subsequent & clear admonition against Charlie. I regret ever having followed his nonsense at all. Lesson learned.
False prophets abound, i.e. LTTW, Bayside, Maria Divine Mercy, and now Charlie Johnston – just to name a few. Charlie also fabricated his so called walk across America. Blogger Kevin O’Brien did an excellent analysis via Charlie’s Facebook posts, and found that Charlie did not walk across America. Another red flag of an over active imagination, or much worse. What, dear reader, is Charlie Johnston doing during these last few hours before the ‘rescue’, one may ask? He’s posting political opinions on different web sites, immediately before one of the most significant events in human history. Sigh. Charlie is the only so called prophet that I have ever heard of that actually has not got a single prediction correct. It’s never easy to admit that one was fooled by a snake oil salesman.
I just pray that Charlie, for once, does the honorable thing – and disappears for good, shutting down his blog. The burden of proof rests with Charlie, since he’s the one who’s made these outrageous claims. It’s a burden he’s not even come remotely close to meeting. He won’t, however, disappear. I believe that he’ll attempt to remain, to feed his ego. As noted in a post above, he’ll probably briefly vanish, in order to receive more ‘re –instruction’, with some novel twist added in. He’ll then return to TNRS, which has become a cult. No specific details will be given, but Charlie will stay, un - ashamed, with his head un - bowed, because he’ll never relinquish the little attention he’s received, none of which he ever merited. Since this egocentric false prophet won’t leave, he must simply be ignored. His cult, TNRS, will simply spin and make excuses for his repeated failures. However, other vulnerable folks must also be warned.

Anonymous said...

Mrs. Becky Hesse, aka Beckita, of TNRS, is now spinning, and is saying that the 'rescue' has been, is, or will happen; it's simply that we can't recognize or understand it? Really? Charlie ‘told us true’ that the 'rescue' would be the revelation of Our Lady to the whole world that Jesus is God, Lord of all; that she is His Mother; that He honors her; and that He expects us all to do the same. Everyone would know. That was the point, was it not? So, obviously, TNRS is using smoke & mirrors to continue this charade. Beckita wrote that, just as the disciples lost faith, we too can often times lose faith. True. Beckita believes in Jesus' word. Well, so do I. However, the once huge omission and difference is that Charlie is not, and never has been, speaking God's word. Beckita co - mingles doubt as expressed by the apostles, with our collective doubt. She appeals to our emotions. The difference being that the apostles heard the truth from our humble Lord, and witnessed miracles by Him. We, by contrast, have seen nothing from Charlie, except deception, failed prophecy after failed prophecy, excuses, rationalization, defiance of lawful Church authority, argumentative behavior, obsession, and spin. Beckita is cleverly mixing good Church history & apostolic tradition with Charlie & TNRS. The best way to get the abnormal accepted is to co mingle it with the normal, while appealing to our emotions, especially our collective fear of a crazy & unstable world. Clever, but pure deception and spin by Beckita and Charlie. The TNRS folks will no doubt now seek another ‘prophet.’ Even Charlie can’t talk his way out of this one.

Anonymous said...

Cont'd...
Fear can tempt all of us into listening to a questionable prophet. Charlie fed off people’s collective & legitimate fears about our future. He misused psychology and played to our deepest fears. Numerous red flags, including but not limited to, repeated, failed prophecies and disobedience to Church authority, should have alerted us that the Sacraments, particularly confession and receipt of Holy Communion, alone should be our guide and resource, as are Mary’s Rosary, other prayers, and Eucharistic adoration. I do believe there are authentic, legitimate prophets who continue to call us to enact God’s will in our lives. God’s love and mercy must never be forgotten. We are called to fast, and perform acts of charity to our neighbors, i.e. everyone. The receipt of specific insider information, or secret knowledge, is the ancient heresy of Gnosticism, repackaged, and designed to appeal to and feed off our collective fears about a crazy & unstable world. Clever and diabolical.
While Charlie did misled and hurt many people, his motives remain largely unknown. I suspect it’s simply his own huge ego. He capitalized on our collective fears. Clever enough, but pure deception, cloaked in pious language. He needs our prayers, and not our condemnation. However, he, himself, makes this very difficult because of his own arrogant, combative, and prideful behavior. As we now move into 2018, let us totally ignore & shun Charlie’s mindless, stream of consciousness rants, yet continue to pray for him and his cult – like following, TNRS. He needs deliverance from demons, and our prayers may well be the first step in healing this ugly blot on Catholicism and detractor to genuine Catholic prophecy, which is the real victim here. I firmly believe that degradation of legitimate Catholic prophecy has been the target of these lying demons all along. Charlie was simply their instrument. They appealed to his pride. Simple, yet effective enough. I won’t post here again. Charlie deserves no further attention, whatsoever. Charlie should apologize and disappear. Period. This isn’t personal; it’s simply (spiritual) business, and very serious business. People were lied to and led down the garden path. I’ve now told you true; take the next right step - and permanently drop this fraud & con man. Prayers and healing are in order here.
Pax. St. Michael the Archangel, defend us from evil.
Jim D.

Fred Keyes said...

Doc Joe says Mary was not named "Mary" when the angel appeared to her but was given that Joachim and Anna gave her that name later at the temple.

No Joe, you have that wrong too.

From Mt 1:20—
"Such was his intention when, behold, the angel of the Lord* appeared to him in a dream and said, 'Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take *Mary* your wife into your home.'" (My emphasis.)

And of course this was about 9 months prior to the Presentation.

Fred Keyes said...

Try, try again:

Doc Joe says Mary was not named "Mary" when the angel appeared to her but that Joachim and Anna gave her that name later in the temple.

rescue fail? said...

Paging Mr Johnson! Paging Mr. Charlie Johnston! TNRS blog is awaiting your next meaty post explaining why we haven't seen the rescue! Has Mr. Johnston left the building? But it can't be because he has been posting political comments a couple of days ago over at the Washington Times:
https://disqus.com/by/charliejohnston/

Paging Mr Johnston?!?!?!

Anonymous said...

rescue fail....omg. LOL!

Charlie is SO concerned about the 'rescue' that he's ranting political? Jim D. nailed it, but Charlie's own behavior says it all.

Glenn Dallaire said...


Jim D.
Thanks for sharing a bit of your spiritual journey with us. You bring forth some important things to consider and learn from.
May God bless you and your loved ones,
Glenn Dallaire

Fred Keyes said...

Does anyone know if CJ has exhibited the test of discerning the spirits recommended by St. John in his first letter? And for that matter adhered closely to all that St John writes in the whole of that letter?

Most specifically:

Testing the Spirits.*
1. Beloved, do not trust every spirit but test the spirits to see whether they belong to God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

2. This is how you can know the Spirit of God: every spirit that acknowledges Jesus Christ come in the flesh belongs to God,

3. and every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus does not belong to God. This is the spirit of the antichrist that, as you heard, is to come, but in fact is already in the world. (1 John 4)
-------

Now I know that Charlie has refused to discuss how he knows that the spirits who visit him are genuinely of God, but if that's true, why won't he publicly answer a simple test like the one St. John recommends?

Jean - "The Hawk" said...

If the spirits were tested years ago or longer when it was recommended we wouldn't be talking about CJ. But, no one wanted to listen, CJ or his followers, so they do bear responsibility along with CJ for not challenging CJ. Every time that issue was brought up it was ignored or ridiculed by his followers and the ones who came on this site.
Although JC may have seen the writing on the wall - a little late but at least he did, I don't see a lot of the other ones following suit and they may always stay loyal to Charlie and his message no matter what.
I do believe Becks is part of the problem by spinning everything - she sounds like a crafty politician.
Anon above is absolutely right, TNRS is taking away from legitimate approved Catholic prophecy.

Maggie said...

Firstly I want to thank this community for providing some sanity.

When I first read "Fractured Expectations" I realized CJ provided his next excuse and timeline excuse in his second and third paragraphs.

''The only thing that has changed is my expectation of how the world will react to the Rescue. Up until early this year it was inconceivable to me that people could know with certainty the things the Rescue will reveal and yet refuse to repent and convert. Alas, I have seen this year that many people wallowing in deep disorder will be bitter enders, even though they know it leads to their own destruction. I believed that the Rescue would be the end of troubles. Now, I believe that it will begin the hottest phase of a struggle in which the outcome is certain and in which everyone knows which side they are on. It will be a struggle constantly marked by supernatural manifestations as God reveals Himself to both hearten the faithful and call the rebellious to repentance. In the end it will lead to the end of troubles, the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart, but for a time, it will be the very stormiest of times. Sadly, many in rebellion, once they know with certainty that God IS, will not repent, but will angrily accuse God of being a racist and sexist or whatever-phobe and refuse to serve Him or their neighbor.

I should have known. In the late 70’s and early 80’s, I thought the rise of ultrasound technology would herald the end of abortion, as science proved to even non-believers that the fetus is not just a ‘blob of tissue,’ but a human child. I was stunned when, in Reagan’s first term, Planned Parenthood moved away from the now-defunct ‘blob of tissue’ argument and adopted the ‘right to choose’ mantra – a mantra that had been used in this country before to justify slavery under the rhetoric of “popular sovereignty.” Had I thought more deeply, I would have remembered that, though the ancient Jews were rescued when they departed Egypt, it would be 40 years before they took possession of the land of milk and honey; that France was rescued when St. Joan broke the siege of Orleans on May 8, 1429, but the war did not fully end for another 24 years; that Winston Churchill later said that when America entered World War II in late 1941, he knew that Europe was rescued – but the war would not end for another four years."

I am a long time reader of the TNRS blog and I must say I don't even know where to begin. Does CJ really think we are blind and that we who defend those who need defending think God is a racist and sexist or whatever-phobe? Time for the author of TNRS to look in the mirror.

Do any of these 5 reasons apply?
Fr. Benedict Groeschel lists five reasons why even authentic revelations given to the most saintly seers are likely to contain errors: 1) faulty interpretation; 2) tendency to use a revelation to write history rather than use it symbolically; 3) tendency of visionary to mix subjective expectations and preconceived ideas with the action of grace; 4) a tendency to alter or amplify a message after the fact; 5) errors made in good faith by those who recorded the testimony . I don't think so. My devout Irish Catholic mom who before she passed this December when I told her about CJ said " sometimes people are just mixed up".

Good will to all

Jackisback said...

As I type this, it is 5:47 PM MST. Sunset was about 15 minutes ago. In less than 24 hours, the sun will set again; and then in a little more than six hours after that, it will be January 1, 2018 (at least it will be, here, in mountain standard time). I don't expect that moment in time to be much different than this one.

Today I shopped at Costco, and witnessed the hustle and bustle of the place as it generally is every Saturday afternoon. I observed that no one had any facial expression or took any action or spoke any word that indicated they had lost all hope (or that they had lost any hope).

Last night I watched the movie The Darkest Hour (for which I think Gary Oldman will win a "best actor" Oscar for his portrayal of Churchill). The movie only covers the time period just prior to Churchill being called by King George VI to be Prime Minister (upon Chamberlain's resignation) in early May 1940 until the date of his speech to the House of Commons on June 4, 1940 (his famous "We shall fight on the beaches" speech). In thinking about that time, it strikes me that if there ever was a time for a large group of people to have lost all hope, that was it. It is hard to know what parts of a film are factual versus apocryphal; for its part, the movie portrays the war cabinet as having lost all hope, and much of parliament as well, and yet portrays the general public as having a different view - of "never surrender" - the last line of Churchill's speech.

Hope is one of those three eternal things that are, in the words of 1 Corinthians, imperishable and immortal. In looking back, I am a little surprised that no TNRS follower ever challenged CJ on his alleged locution that everyone will lose all hope.

I, for one, will pray that CJ does not offer an explanatory blog post tomorrow, or Monday, or any day thereafter. And I will say prayers again for CJ, for the TNRS folks, for all here, and for those that have been fortunate enough to have been blissfully unaware of all that has been discussed on this topic. God bless.

Glenn Dallaire said...


Fred,
To answer your question concerning "testing the spirits" in light of St Johns admonition, yes to my knowledge there was at least one formal attempt to do so, but unfortunately it never got any traction.
-Glenn Dallaire

Glenn Dallaire said...


On another note, a couple of folks here recently expressed a certain disappointment at the approach which the Denver Archdiocese seemingly took in recent years concerning Charlie, that being what many would describe as the "Gamaliel" or "wait and see" approach.

While oftentimes many are divided along the two sides of these judgments, just as in this case, I personally was very much in favor of this form of approach by the Archbishop, for in studying the lives of the mystics one finds that far to many over the course of history have been swiftly sanctioned by Church authorities, without even the bare minimum of a sincere, just hearing.

And so in my opinion it was good to see in this particular case how the Church was prudent, urging caution for the faithful, yet at the same time at least willing to give Charlie a just hearing, forming a commission to investigate the facts and archives of the case, while cautiously waiting upon events.

In short I personally was heartened by the prudent response from the Church (Archdiocese) in this particular case.
Glenn Dallaire

Anonymous said...

The Catholic Church might be better served adopting background checking methods of business and government for employees when it looks at a potential "visionary." What would a credit check, employment check, public records (arrests, restraining orders), and a psych evaluation of CJ have shown them? Would things have been different if his archbishop knew early on of his other social media writings? Charlie can't seem to comment on politics without insulting someone...

Anonymous said...

IT IS NOW 2018 IN MELBOURNE

Fred Keyes said...

Right Anon @8:15 AM. And the grand sweep to the curb of all of CJ's predictions rolls across the globe, minute by minute.

This should put a hole in all those predictions that were told us "true." But wait! say CJ's followers, there's more!

Enough, TNRS gang.....enough already.

Jean - "The Hawk" said...

I just got up - did I miss the "rescue"?!

Anonymous said...

Jean, not only did you miss the Rescue, but we seemed to have missed the storm (WWIII, FEMA camps, tanks rolling down the streets, Menses, the Regent, and the economic collapse/return to a barter system) as well.,

But we do have squirrels.

Jean - "The Hawk" said...

Since it's the end of another year, I guess we can reminisce about Charlie, I remember the time Charlie chastised me for not talking about religion, yet somehow talking about squirrels was acceptable - go figure.
Maybe the squirrels have something to do with the "storm" or "rescue" - I must have missed the memo on that.

Joseph J. said...

Naw, you haven't missed a thing Jean. No storm, no rescue, no nothing. Just earth shaking predictions that have completely failed on all points. Looks like all of Charlies predictions have failed. Its too bad though, a rescue was something many of us had looked forward to, but obviously it was not part of the real plan of heaven.

Anonymous said...


Getting squirrelly and nuttier than a squirrel turd!

Jim D said...

Ok. It's now 2018 in some parts of the world. The so called 'rescue has now tanked. TNRS sees no post by Charlie. I pray TNRS shuts down. All they're now doing, and have all along,is to diminish real Catholic prophecy. Demons are at play here. Charlie should apologize n go away.

Anonymous said...

James, it isn’t fully 2018 until the clock hits the very last parts of the world which is American Samoa and Pago Pago in about 16 hours.

Jean - "The Hawk" said...

What's the over/under betting line for the "rescue" before the end of 2017?

It's too bad we didn't have a betting line on the "rescue" we could have made a mint.

Jean - "The Hawk" said...

I can not believe they are still waiting for the "rescue" over at TNRS. They think that something magical is going to happen and everyone will be spoken to interiorly.

Quoting the words of Snowy: "I believe in the Rescue. I believe Charlie and I believe it will come about as he said. I refuse to give into doubt, fear, disappointment or despair.The Rescue has not failed because it is not the end of 2017 yet." "I do not care if others think me foolish, still I believe."

If you believe Charlie - where is he? Probably watching football with a cold one.

I remember the last time ( last year ) he and JC were mocking us here and giving themselves high fives back at TNRS for putting us in our spot. Then the prophecy failed and they couldn't show themselves here until they came up with a good spin and " the real prophecy" the "rescue" of 2017.

Fred Keyes said...

Anon at 2:45: Since it's still 2017 in some parts of the world, does that mean that the predictions will only be partially fulfilled in the next few hours? Or is it a sort of "Twilight Zone" situation? I.e. will some part of the world be disappointed while the rest of us are rescued?

I'm kidding, of course. But come on now, you all need to accept that Charlie has a very active imagination at best or something far more problematic at worst.

Anonymous said...

Fred, it ain’t ove until the fat lady sings, and she won’t be singing in Pago Pago for another 13 hours. Remember that Trump pulled off a victory with the electoral college last minute. Everyone was sure that Trump lost and we went to bed but the next day we woke up and he was President.

Fred Keyes said...

Anon, she's already sung, loud and clear.

That Trump won was something that happened during election day not later when the result was reported.

Meanwhile I'll go enjoy Irish New Year's. Toast the New Year with friends when it's midnight in Ireland and back in bed by 8. Happy New Year all!

Anonymous said...

Here is one Pastor whose credibility may have taken a bit of a hit because of the failed rescue:
"Emanuel Burgos says:
December 30, 2017 at 12:10 am
By far, Beckita, this is your best piece yet. It is so well written. It expresses our fears, confusion, frustrations, and disappointment that the Rescue hasn’t taken place yet. For the last two years, the thought of the Rescue was my great hope and optimism for this ever-increasing dark world. Good was going to triumph over Evil and we would all finally live in a far better world. The anticipation filled my heart with joy, peace, and wonder. As a pastor, I even proclaimed it from the pulpit on several occasions.

I know that in the end, Her Immaculate Heart WILL triumph. I had hoped this was going to be the time of the Triumph. Unfortunately, it appears that we are going to have to wait some more time. The hope is not permanently lost, even if that hope is lost for the time being."


Not sure if from the pulpit he gave the "late 2017" time frame but if so the failure of it all at this point would probably be somewhat embarrassing and lessen ones credibility I would think.

Anonymous said...

Within the past hour, an interesting TNRS post by MichaelC and response by Beckita:

MichaelC says:
December 31, 2017 at 5:26 pm

SteveBC, the question now is what, if anything, of Charlie’s messages are true? He told us we would go through a storm that would include war with China and a worldwide complete economic and civil collapse, to the point that people would lose all hope. That didn’t happen. He also told us that in 2017 at the very moment the world thought all was lost we would be visibly rescued by the Blessed Mother. That didn’t happen either. Now what?

Beckita says:
December 31, 2017 at 6:38 pm

Michael, as has been said many a time here, on the broad sweep of things, Charlie has been correct. As also has been discussed here, Charlie received correction after the inaugural error and clearly shared what he could share of it. Most important of all, are the constant reminders that God’s Plan to reclaim us will unfold as He deems it should. The very framing of your questions shows a need to read Charlie’s pieces since his return to the site in mid-May. God bless you.

Jean - "The Hawk" said...

Happy New Year to all!
I'm going to bed now, wake me up if the "rescue" happens before it hits Pago Pago which is less then 7 hours to the longest extent of 2017.

Anonymous said...

Ok. Happy new year! 2018. Charlie is now shown to be a complete fraud. Charlie, apologize & go away!

Anonymous said...

Paging Charlie Johnston; paging Charlie Johnston. Charlie..........

Anonymous said...

Charlie has not posted at TNRS. Watch, he'll wait a few days & post some stream of consciousness nonsense, which will explain nothing at all. He'll lay low and then re appear, with some novel twist. He'll also be 're instructed'. He'll further come up with some BS reason to return. The facts that two huge prophecies have failed within one year and, in fact, every single prophecy to date has tanked will be mostly ignored. TNRS is a demon - inspired assault on legitimate Catholic prophecy. Charlie, pls go away.

Anonymous said...

New Year time for a new article on a genuine mystic of the church. This wait, watch and see approach perpetuates attention on a failed prophet. The ignore and concentrating on genuine mystics approach is more likely to result in acceralation of TNRS implosion. Give someone enough rope and that person may hang themselves.

What about an article on St Therese’s parents or Bl Chiara Badano?

Jackisback said...

To Jean, the Hawk, at 12:18 a.m.,
.
I am just now going to sleep and it is 1:45 a.m. MST. Still no rescue. I won't be able to keep my eyes open for a rescue in Pago Pago. We shall have to reconnect after we awake. Fred Keyes, L. Spinelli, Steve (whom we haven't heard from in ages) Jim Dooley, Glenn and all other fellow discerners of truth, happy new year.




Anonymous said...

Happy new year Jack! Charlie has now, yet again for a second time within a year, been shown to be a false prophet, i.e. the presidential prediction and the 'rescue'. I'll observe also that every other prophecy of his has also failed thus far. I agree that this site should focus upon legitimate, church - approved prophets. I personally believe, along with several other posters, that TNRS is demon - inspired, and designed to detract from legitimate Catholic prophecy. Demons played to Charlie's huge ego. Simple, yet most effective. Archbishop Acquila was totally correct. Subsequent to the failed presidential prophecy, Charlie should have been shunned. Well, now even Charlie can't talk his way out of this. Buh bye Charlie. I do pray for him; he needs at least deliverance.

Jim Dooley

Anonymous said...

. But I have had two spectacular failures in the inauguration and how I described the Rescue. Both can be plausibly cast as interpretive, rather than substantial, failures. Even so, my job has been, if I speak at all, to get it right – and I didn’t in either of these instances. Therefore, after today I will foreswear public prophecy. Charlie on TNRS. Sounds semi ok, but....

I will take some time, no more than a few weeks, and then get to work from a purely faith-based analytical perspective. That has been my way for most of my life, so I merely go back to my comfort zone. I will have this site shut down in a few days and open up a new one with the same name later but without any publicly prophetic element.....

As I predicted, Charlie is returning by the end of January, but without the prophetic element, not that he ever even had a legitimate prophetic element to begin with. Charlie is coming back soon, and will continue to rant political, just without prophecy. Since all of his so called prophecies have tanked, Charlie will shortly return to do EXACTLY what he has been doing all along, with a slight twist. Damn; I hate being correct. Talk about arrogance. Proven totally wrong, the failed prophet is soon to return, just without the prophetic! As I said, he'll be back; head un bowed and totally un apologetic. No words.

Anonymous said...

My public record of prophecy has been a mixed bag...........Charlie on 1-1-18.
Umm, no, Charlie. It's been one hundred percent wrong! Even in the face of utter defeat, Charlie is spinning and making excuses. UNBELIEVABLE.

Anonymous said...

Despite my occasionally spectacular failures, nothing has happened to diminish the merit of the heart of what I proclaim: the ordinary way of acknowledging God, taking the next right step, and being a sign of hope to those around you......CJ. 1-1-18.

Occasionally spectacular failures! Really? Charlie hasn't one accurate so called prophecy! Not one. Still spinning and un apologetic! Damn. As I'd said, Charlie's ego won't release his unmerited fifteen minutes of fame. So now, a failed / false prophet will soon return, just without the prophetic? Alrighty then. What can one even say?

Glenn Dallaire said...

Charlie has posted an article this morning (Jan 1, 2018). and while he acknowledged his prophetic failures, he is going to "foreswear public prophecy" and repackage himself essentially as a Catholic commentator on current events. According to his statement he will close his current website and open a new one with the same name:

"I have had two spectacular failures in the inauguration and how I described the Rescue. Both can be plausibly cast as interpretive, rather than substantial, failures. Even so, my job has been, if I speak at all, to get it right – and I didn’t in either of these instances. Therefore, after today I will foreswear public prophecy. At best, I am marginally competent at interpreting what I am given. I will not quit writing on matters of culture, geo-politics and public policy from the perspective of an orthodox Catholic. Perhaps all will scatter. That is not my affair. But I have found that for some, my writing has helped recollect them to first things, fundamentals of the faith. I will write to encourage those who I can in the battles before us. I will take some time, no more than a few weeks, and then get to work from a purely faith-based analytical perspective. That has been my way for most of my life, so I merely go back to my comfort zone. I will have this site shut down in a few days and open up a new one with the same name later but without any publicly prophetic element."

Glenn Dallaire said...


Happy New Year to Jack, L Spinelli, Jean the Hawk, Joe Crozier, Fred Keyes, Jim D and everyone else who visits here (too many to mention!).

May God grant everyone here a blessed and peaceful New Year.
-Glenn

L Spinelli said...

Well. Happy 2018!

Charlie isn't going away. He's going to turn his blog into an extension of his Disqus comments.

Charlie is still insisting that he got the larger picture right. Uh huh. He's also rebranding the Rescue as a failed interpretation.

Look at the passage a few posts up that Jack found. He was ordered to tell those specifics with a specific date. He didn't misinterpret. Nope, he had to be told all that by something demonic.

There's no acknowledging that he was deceived by a demon. There he is again being obstinate, one of the sure signs that his visions were never heavenly originated.

Maybe the Archdiocese will tell him to go visit Father Rippenger. It would do him a lot of good.

Blessings to Glenn and all of you for a happy, peaceful and fruitful 2018.

Anonymous said...

L. Spinelli & Glenn; Happy 2018.

Agreed. Charlie Johnston is not apologetic; in fact, he's defiant. He's spinning yet again, and he's remaining, as I and others felt he absolutely would. The only concession he made was to stop posting anything prophetic - because he basically had no choice. He's claiming that his interpretation was off, but he was basically correct about the big picture and direction of the world. Umm, nope; not even close. The nightly news tells us much of the same.

He publicly stated numerous times that he had to 'tell us true', especially regarding both the presidential election and the 'rescue' at the end of 2017. Not even one correct prophecy, out of approximately 17. Not one. He played to our collective fears, in a demonically fueled effort to undermine legitimate Catholic prophecy. He now chooses to defiantly remain, and continue his rants, minus his (fallen) angel's dialogue. Demons played to his ego, which apparently remains unfulfilled, and hurt & misled many in the process. Lovely.

Jim D.

Bemused said...

Charlie says: "But I have had two spectacular failures in the inauguration and how I described the Rescue."

The problem I have with this is he is bundling his numerous failed predictions concerning the election, the storm, and the rescue, into only two failed predictions.

Charlie was wrong about EVERY specific prediction he gave: the election, the Regent, the collapse of worldwide economies, the return to a barter system, the institution of Marshall law, tanks rolling down the streets, FEMA camps, he said medical services would be difficult to obtain for a period, the uniting of the US and Russia and World War with China, the mass conversion of Muslims, and of course the Rescue and return to Mayberry.

When I took math in Grade School that adds up to a lot more failed predictions than just two.

Bemused said...

Oh, and I forgot the 26 million dead and Menses.

Fred Keyes said...

Sez the would-be mayor of Mayberry, "It is easy – and even just – to be angry with those who are perpetually angry and offended, those who have done so much to tatter the social fabric with their unending shrill attacks. Look deeper, though. See the agony behind their anger. Most of these people are pitiable: they have lost the capacity for joy or happiness. Like the old song, they are only happy when it rains. What misery they have cloaked themselves in!"

Oh, my. (With props to the late great Dick Enberg, who died last month.)

CJ's message today is self-serving. And he takes the shot above aimed at those of us who have doubted and debunked his message. He consoles himself by believing we must be an unhappy lot, but no, not so; it's just a good feeling to see an end to the nonsensical predicting. The unhappiness has to be in his disappointed followers--what a huge letdown!

I go to Mass most days. This experience will add to the fervor of our appeal at Mass begging God for unity in the Church. Our disagreements are indeed a scandal but can be turned to joy when we fully accept the truth.

Fred Keyes said...

Oh, and by the way Charlie, anger is not a sin. It's just an emotion. The anger that is listed as one of the deadly sins is actually irrational rage. Jesus as we know got angry that one time in the temple and the firmness with which he rebuked the Scribes and Pharisees was certainly fueled by a grit-his-teeth firmness.

So to the extent we firmly and with emotion-packed purpose rebuked the falsehoods we encountered in the phenomenon that was Charlie's ouvre, we were in the right, IMO.

Glenn Dallaire said...

For those interested I added the following preamble at the top of my articles on Charlie Johnston:
"Update Jan 1, 2018: Concerning Mr. Johnston's alleged prophecies and private revelations, from early on this writer often commented that time and events (or lack of events) will clearly reveal whether Charlie's prophecies are authentic, or not. In other words, time will tell.

Well, as of today (January 1, 2018) time has clearly revealed that Mr. Johnston's numerous prophecies have ALL been shown to be completely false, most notably his predictions concerning the Presidential election, the great worldwide "Storm" which he foretold would bring global economic collapse and civil strife, toppling governments throughout the globe, war with political Islam and China, and generalized global chaos resulting in 26 million dead, all culminating with the miraculous "Rescue" apparition of the Blessed Virgin Mary to all of humanity, all of which was prophesied by Charlie to occur by the end of 2017.

In conclusion, since Charlie's prophecies have now all been shown to be completely false, he joins the list of recent failed visionaries whose stories have been highlighted on this site, such as "Locutions to the World" and "Maria Divine Mercy", and together they provide a strong cautionary warning for all of us in regards to purported visionaries and mystics of past and present, urging us to be very cautious and prudent in our discernment concerning such persons, reaffirming the statement and warning of St Paul of the Cross, the founder of the Passionists and great mystic himself, whom once stated that 9 out of 10 purported visionaries are false. Perhaps this estimation from St Paul of the Cross is a bit high, but then again perhaps not. Glenn Dallaire"

Fred Keyes said...

Charlie begins today's missive claiming that the first half of his prediction did occur on Sept. 23 (Feast of Padre Pio); I take it he means that Our Lady was revealed to the whole world. What's he referring to?

Anonymous said...

Charlie is becoming interested in 'sacred astronomy' and cites a conjunction of planets to claim his rescue actually was visible. See an article, https://www.romancatholicman.com/revelation-12-sign-september-23-2017/

I am now firmly convinced the whole TNRS movement is demonic. At this point the archbishop of Denver ought to act.

Anonymous said...


Charlie is sunsetted into obscurity now. It was the earth rattling predictions that interested people; the predictions of collapsing governments and economies, global war and worldwide rescue, all of which proved to be false. From this point, no one is really interested in the opinions of a 60ish white Catholic guy from Colorado, and now he will just be an obscure blogger in a virtual sea of internet bloggers. As it was already in recent months his blog had hardly any viewers after the inauguration fail last year, with perhaps a bit of an uptick in recent weeks of folks interested to hear about the final weeks left for the rescue, but now after this final prophecy fail I'm sure interest in Charlie will dwindle into obscurity.

Jean - "The Hawk" said...

Charlie said : My FINAL PUBLIC PROPHECY & "My public record of prophecy has been a mixed bag."

But wait, didn't Charlie say in Blogtalk 2 or 3 ( discussed at length on this site ) with his son that he only had ONE public prophecy - the "rescue". He said the rest of his prophecies were private and not for the public?

So now he is saying his past "prophecies" are public and right on? I still don't know what he has predicted correct, but he is using his past somewhat correct "sweep" of things as now public prophecies which he says in Blogtalk 2 or 3 are "private".

No wonder he is going to shut down his old site - he needs to get rid of his past contradictions to destroy the evidence. I still wonder how people can follow this guy, but then again the world is filled with gullible people.

As the sportscaster said about players contracts when its about the money, its about the money, when its not about the money, its about the money - its always about the money.

I'm not sure if Charlie has a pension or a job, I see him living with other people, and he has religious articles for sale - maybe this is his source of income? Maybe this is the reason to keep the gig going?

Anonymous said...

I'd written:

Charlie Johnston is not apologetic; in fact, he's defiant. He's spinning yet again, and he's remaining, as I and others felt he absolutely would. The only concession he made was to stop posting anything prophetic - because he basically had no choice. He's claiming that his interpretation was off, but he was basically correct about the big picture and direction of the world. Umm, nope; not even close. The nightly news tells us much of the same.

He publicly stated numerous times that he had to 'tell us true', especially regarding both the presidential election and the 'rescue' at the end of 2017. Not even one correct prophecy, out of approximately 17. Not one. He played to our collective fears, in a demonically fueled effort to undermine legitimate Catholic prophecy. He now chooses to defiantly remain, and continue his rants, minus his (fallen) angel's dialogue. Demons played to his ego, which apparently remains unfulfilled, and hurt & misled many in the process. Lovely.

I will now add: this is the old heresey of gnostocism, i.e. secret knowledge. Charlie is in defiance of legitimate Church authority. He had initially been forbidden to speak on Church property, and Catholics were urged to use caution. Then Catholics were urged not to attempt to interpret his false predictions as somehow legitimate, after the presidential prediction's failure. It's over for him, but his pathetic attempt to remain demonstrates what this is, and always has been, really all about - Charlie.

Jim D.

Anonymous said...

LTTW; Maria Divine Mercy; Bayside & Charlie Johnston.

Jackisback said...

Fred (January 1, 2018 at 1:08 PM and Anon at 3:59 PM),

Anon is correct. CJ first made the bizarre reference to the so-called "Revelation 12 Sign" in another blog post earlier this fall called Fractured Expectations. Any references - to utterly cyclical planetary alignments that repeat themselves at various intervals of time - walks a thin line between astronomy and astrology. A little research reveals the cyclicality of this so-called "sign." CJ, in taking credit for this cyclical occurrence as being "revelatory" - of the first half of what I had been told about the Rescue: "Our Lady will be revealed to the whole world... - CJ was displaying amnesia regarding his December 4th statements in Fractured Expectations, to wit:

The next day I had a terrible stab of fear. I wondered, what if this was the revelation of Our Lady, the sign of the Rescue? Only a small few would even notice. So I began praying intensely that Our Lady reveal herself to the world. I was quickly and sharply rebuked by my angel who reminded me I had already been told this definitively – and that my prayers were not an act of faith, but a failure of faith. So I stopped. Then about a week ago, driving from Bakersfield up to Fresno, I absent-mindedly started praying the same thing again. Again I was sharply rebuked and, again, dropped it. There are quite a few things I am told and ordered not to reveal, less than a handful I am ordered to say publicly – but most things are given to my discretion to reveal or retain as seems best suited to hearten the faithful, taking full responsibility for what I say, never blaming God for my errors. This was one of those handful I was directed to proclaim.

CJ cannot now claim the "Rescue" failure as his faulty interpretation when in fact he claims to have been rebuked by his angel in September and November that this was something definitive that he had been directed to proclaim. This is clearly a false-witness moment. One of the two statements is false: him being directed to proclaim a Marian intervention event or him making his own mistake of interpretation. Either way, CJ bears false witness about something he ascribes to God via the angel Gabriel. That is CJ's definition of blasphemy. We also have what CJ said in the Birmingham transcript about this as well:

Q: Is your understanding of the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart as being a miraculous intervention brought about by the actions of Our Lady?
C: No. A miraculous intervention that will be visible to all is what I’ve been told. Nobody will be mistaken about what it is and when it comes...There’ll be no mistaking it...this will convince almost the whole world...Everyone on earth. I’m not being ambiguous about this. EVERYBODY on earth, alive at that time.
Q: So this will be an unprecedented event?
C: Absolutely… absolutely.


Finally, The planetary alignment - as "garbled" as CJ states it - is not "an unprecedented event" and is not a "miraculous intervention" of which "nobody will be mistaken about what it is and when it comes." Search the various websites and you will see there are a multitude of opinions about what this particular planetary alignment signifies (including that it signifies nothing). No amount of after-the-fact hair splitting or special pleadings, and no defenses of CJ as being in tune with the Magisterium can take away from the conclusion that CJ is a false prophet. True prophets stick to their original statements without parsing them later.

CJ's third paragraph of his final post attempts to stake a lame claim that the "Rescue" has occurred, but that we just all missed it, using cherry-picked improvements in our temporal world (improvements that, prior to now, CJ had always told us were going to be indicative of "false dawns"). To that I simply respond: "Horse chestnuts!"

As always, I pray for him and his incorrigibly gullible followers.

Jean - "The Hawk" said...

When YongDuk ( the Bishop ) disappeared before the 1st prophecy that was a big red flag, Becks said he told her in Feb of 2017 that his schedule was very busy so he didn't have time to go on TNRS - I think otherwise, he's too busy to even say a few words or go on a computer? I mean no one is busier or more important than the Pres of the US, and he has time to twitter all the time, no one is that busy that they can not say a few words - I think, if he is a Bishop he couldn't get caught up in a failed Charlie and his "prophecies" - he could jeopardize his position.
When you read the posts on TNRS after the failure it sounds like these people are looking for a "savior" or some connection to God. Even with these spectacular failures Charlie still has followers, what is even scarier is that some of these people belong to religious orders! However, as stated before this goes on all the time.
Regarding his new proposed "gig", he should have tried it long ago, with 2 fails you just can not brush it off that easily and expect to have credibility. I noticed a few of his die hards have not posted. I also wonder how much is being scrubbed as I know my comments didn't make the cut. I'm actually composing a letter right now to be sent to Becks Bishop, I have enough evidence to at least keep these people in check.

Anonymous said...

Jean, maybe you should CC Charlie's archbishop as well, Archbishop Samuel Aquila in Denver!!

Fred Keyes said...

Jack, that's interesting. You may be aware of the theory called hyperactive agency detective device (HADD). The September 23 event seems to fit that theory. It's hypothesized to be one of the elements that drives conspiracy theorists. FWIW, I tend to believe the explanations for Charlie's fantasies have natural explanations, and that he truly believes his own horsepucky. His stuff has gotten so ridiculous it's hard for me to believe any demon is that dumb. I do wonder what it is that drives his followers; maybe that's where demonic suggestion is having an impact....but nah. Barnum was right.

Jean, I agree with you about Yong Duk. He certainly wrote as though he might be a bishop. If so, he's putting distance between himself and TNRS, at least publicly. It's good to put Beck's bishop on notice too.

Anonymous said...

People are suggesting that Charlie boy was/is instructed/influenced by a demon I disagree at least from a classical perspective. I think the only person who has been instructing and providing prophecies to Charlie is Charlie. I think this whole thing is a planned scam/fraud by a very clever person who may have sociopathic tendenies. I think this because of the excuses and backtracking. If someone was being deludedly a demon wouldn’t consternation and at least some emotional discomfort occur? This is too orchestrated. This is not to say certinly evil underlies this type of fraudulent activity but I don’t think CJ is an unaware hapless victim who has been possessed or under the signific ant influence of a demon/demons. This being the case he is certainly more personally responsible for his actions. One wonders if he could be indicted for fraud.

Bemuzed said...

Jean, you commented in regards to Bishop Young Duk: "he told her (Beckita) in Feb of 2017 that his schedule was very busy so he didn't have time to go on TNRS.

I did a double take when I read that as well. If Bishop Duk truly believed all of Charlie's storm prophecies were true, including WWIII, and it would culminate in a rescue by the BVM unknown since the foundation of the world, it's absolute nonsense to think he'd be too busy to continue commenting on Charlie's blog.

And Fred, you commented: His (Charlie's) stuff has gotten so ridiculous it's hard for me to believe any demon is that dumb. And I agree. But Seer Charlie's predictions were so far out I believed them for a time thinking this stuff is too crazy not to be true.

Jackisback said...

Jean, I will pray that your letters will be read and that any bishops involved will provide clarity.

Anon, and Bemused, you are both probably correct in a sort of Occam's razor perspective.

Fred, I was not aware of that particular malady. I have until now assumed the strongest possible explanation that may have been in play here was some personality disorder. But your observation has a better fit in potentially explaining both CJ's and his followers' behavior. It makes me wonder if CJ or the TNRSers would actually cease & desistif instructed to do so by a Bishop.

I continue to pray for all concerned regardless of the reasons behind their motivations.


L Spinelli said...

Fred, TNRS was and is driven by Charlie’s cult of personality. How else did cult leaders get their followers to believe or do the insane things they did?

I still think most of this was orchestrated by demons, but Charlie's nuttiness may be a small factor. Demons can easily play with mental illness or delusions.

Whatever the explanation really is, that whole TNRS crew remains in my prayers.

Anonymous said...

"I think this whole thing is a planned scam/fraud by a very clever person who may have sociopathic tendencies"....Interesting. I wonder, did Charlie really plan this whole charade, as a scam? Maybe. Or, are demons playing off an unstable, egocentric man? In either case, TNRS should be shut down. It won't be, as I'd predicted, because Charlie won't give up his cult. Apart from outrageous and failed predictions, what did / does Charlie bring to the table? Nothing.

Jim D.

Fred Keyes said...

I'm certainly not a psychologist or any kind of expert on what motivates people to do what they do or say what they say. I do "give the devil his due" as the expression goes. If you've read the C.S. Lewis book, "The Screwtape Letters," you know who clever the devil and his minions can be. Maybe that's what's at work here, but it seems to me that we have free will, and when we freely choose to embark on a course of action that's just wrong based on strong political motives, the devil just stands aside and lets us do what we decide to do.

Meanwhile CJ's twisted rationalization continues at his new site as he sidesteps any responsibility for misleading so many people.

Anonymous said...

Charlie Johnston didn't mislead many and hurt many with his failed & bizarre predictions. Haven't you heard? He was correct in the overall sweep of things, and his predictions were a mixed bag. Sarcasm. Exactly, he's sidestepping any and all responsibility by spinning, which he's very adroit at, and by shutting down TNRS. He's feeding his ego by bringing his remaining cult members over to his new site, A SIGN OF HOPE. Cowardly, yet clever. I really do wonder, did he just fabricate the whole thing as a clever, elaborate hoax. Vile. Period.

Jim D.

Anonymous said...

One additional thought. The entire Charlie Johnston debacle has highlighted two points. First, the obvious - false prophets & frauds abound; Charlie as a good example. Second, we really should both respect and obey the Magisterium. Archbishop Acquila first both forbade Charlie to speak on Church property and warned the faithful to be very cautious. Archbishop Acquila, subsequent to the failed presidential prophecy, then clearly instructed the faithful not to attempt to re interpret Charlie's failed predictions as somehow accurate. Next time, I'll pay even closer attention to the Church's Magisterium. The Archbishop warned us about Charlie. More people should have listened earlier. Frauds like Charlie play to and feed off people's fears. Lesson learned.

Jim D.

Lisa said...

I went to Charlie's new site, "A Sign of Hope," out of curiosity and found this spot-on comment by "Michael" and Charlie's response. Interestingly, Charlie doesn't answer the question of whether or not God wants him to quit prophesizing, but states that the Rescue came and we all missed it. I wonder if "Michael" was satisfied with Charlie's response?


Michael

January 4, 2018 at 10:15 pm

Charlie:
I’ve been an avid follower of your site and fully appreciate the simple message of Be a sign of Hope to those around you…I had the privilege of attending one of your town hall meetings in Katy Texas a few years ago and after your presentation you opened it up for Q/A. I raised this question, “With your obvious sensitivity to dates and concern that ALL prophets can have the rug pulled out from them regarding dates, why do you think you were so adamently instructed to share ‘the end of 2017’ as the timeframe for the rescue?” I then offered a suggestion/answer to that question for your discernment which was, “Do you think your angel offered that date only to test your faith when there was no real intention of completing the rescue by 2017?”

Obviously, the answer is unknown, but I proffer the question again as it is worth your consideration. If the source of the rescue prophecy was your angel (i.e. one of the good guys) than there has to be some logical reason for him to give you “bad” information. The reason I refer it to as bad information as you mentioned on more than one occassion that you were obstinate with your angel when it came to sharing this date publically. So much so that the angel had to rise up (in righteous anger) and make it abundantly clear that you were to share that date.

Since that date has come and gone, there has to be some explanation.
1) Either the source of that date was not one of the good guys
2) It was from one of the good guys and was issued to “test” you & others

For those that put 100% of their hope into that rescue message by end of 2017, their faith could be tested here. Additionally, for you…You are being tested. To pull up your “prophetic” tent and call that aspect of your ministry quits might be the test facing you. is THAT what our Lord wants? Or is that what makes things easiest/cleanest for you? Clearly, by doing so you portray a sense of honor…You’re “doing the right thing” so to speak because you made a claim and are standing behind it so much so that you’re calling it quits. I get it. However, have you gone back to your angel/source of the info and asked for further clarity on why you were given bad information? Moreover, have you given our Lord the opportunity to confirm whether or not HE WANTS you to call it quits?

You may have done both, but have not shared so publically. I think the honorable thing to do is to go back to your Angel, Our Lord and ask him both of those questions. Surely he/they would show you the decency of a response.
Otherwise, your move to quit this aspect of your ministry dances dangerously around salving your ego. (Offered with the up most respect).

I hope I’ve been clear with the above, and if I’ve missed some missive that already addressed any of this, please feel free to point me in that direction.
Kind regards,


charliej373
January 4, 2018 at 10:38 pm

Actually, I explain that in this article. I don’t think it was either of the scenarios you discussed, but that, like the Star of Bethlehem, it came before us all and we did not understand it. I terribly misinterpreted. In any case, I leave that behind now and move forward. There is a lot of work for all of us to do.

Anonymous said...

I terribly misinterpreted.

After CJ's angel told Charlie to 'TELL THEM TRUE' & 'THEY MUST CHOOSE OR PERISH' - there's NOTHING to misinterpret. What's there to misinterpret?

More spin. Pure psychological manipulation and spin by good ole' Charlie. I feel now Charlie made up an elaborate hoax, playing to out collective fears, as stated above and fairly often on this thread. He's now dancing away from TNRS, covering his tracks, yet preserving his unmerited fifteen minutes of fame. Disgusting.

Jim D.

Anonymous said...

Just looked up postings from Beckita (aka MotherSuperior7) and Charlie Johnston and copied this post:

Charlie Johnston
Charlie Johnston
Archangels
mothersuperior7 said: ↑
Charlie, do you see a world wide deception such as extra terrestrials or do you think that holographic images will come in to play in the deception? There is this huge under-current of fear regarding extra terrestrials. The media has played it out for years in movies (starting in the 50's and 60's) and at its height in the 70's and 80's. Now it is more about technology. That we could never have the intelligence to create what has been created without help/intervention etc.

I know that everytime there is an appariton of our Lady to a group of people like in the Ivory Coast, it was blamed on 'holographic technology' by unbelievers. It is a concern that so many people could be duped and that when our Lady does show herself, people would just brush it off as a trick.
I am familiar with 'Project Bluebeam'.

Charlie Johnston's Response: to Beckita (aka Mama S)

I think, Mama S, that at all times in history, satan comes to deceive people in a form they will accept. Moderns don't accept fairies and goblins, but they do embrace UFOs and such. So I think most UFOs are a manifestation of the method satan uses today to deceive.

For Greggo, I read a little Edgar Cayce some years ago. While there was some insight in it, I found it to be occult and so have since dismissed it. People should understand that satan can do magic - satan knows the history of the world better than all the historians in history combined - and satan, the father of lies, WILL tell you a dozen truths to establish credibility so you may more easily accept the central lie he wants and needs you to believe. After you have discerned whether something is accurate you must also discern first whether it is good and then whether it leads you to a deeper understanding of God's will. Remember - the fruit of the tree that satan tempted Eve with was the fruit of giving her knowledge like a god.

I don't follow blogs so I'm not quite sure if this is the way to quote from them or not. I just kept track of CJ since I first heard of him in April 2015 I believe. I only posted on his site once and was questioning him about the serious consequences of his "prophecies" if they are not true. He did not tell us true and I am glad that God protected me from being "all in" with CJ. I'm left puzzled with how people like him get away with this???? I feel sorry for Joe Crozier who seems to be a decent man. Also, for the many who were smitten by CJ.

May God's Holy Spirit guide and protect us against all that is from the world, the flesh, and the devil.

A blessed New year to you, Glenn and all here.

kb

Jackisback said...

I'm confused, kb. From where did you obtain that written exchange and how would you know that "MotherSuoerior7" = Beckita?

Anonymous said...

Jack, here is the link: http://motheofgod.com/threads/charlie-johnston.6342/page-15#post-70645

Beckita used an avitar of our lady of Emmitsburg on her posts at TNRS, which shows her very outspoken support of Gianna Talone Sullivan (another "seer" who has been denounced by the Church). A while back it has been known that MotherSuperior7 is Beckita. I do not have all of the information or links but I assure you that this is the same person. This fact only matters because there is a history with Beckita supporting false visionaries even after the Church has disapproved. Also, it's very notable to see Charlie's response as noted in the link.

I really do not have the time to spend going through the many posts from MOG forum - I only came across them in relation to CJ and Beckita.

God bless,
kb

Anonymous said...

http://motheofgod.com/threads/charlie-johnston.6342/page-15#post-70645

Anonymous said...

I thought CJ’s work was directly related to his prophecies or at least that is how it was reasoned out in his previous posts. If the prophecies are defunct as they have been proven to be how canCJ’s “work” still be valid? He is setting himself up as some kind of self-styled online theologian/pastor. I so pity those who are still following him can’t see the cunning but ridiculous nature of his enterprise. Still some are more gullible and desperate than others.

Anonymous said...

Sister Lucia gave the prophecy "...in the end my Immaculate Heart will triumph and an era of peace will be granted to humanity."

Who's to say that Sister was not also talking in generalities and that there wil be no triumph or ear of peace as we might understand it? Remember that when heavenly beings use normal language, they are playful with it...their use of language seamlessly incorporates plain speech, figurative speech, symbolic images, double meanings and layers of meaning.

So maybe Sister Lucia's prophecy will only be correct in the grand sweep of things? Then again, Sister never moved the goal posts following failed predictions either.

I don't know about anyone else on this site but I have developed a serious case of mystic-fatigue.

Anonymous said...

In his last post CJ said:

Many of you have asked that this site remain accessibly archived for all. Sorry, I think that would be a bit of a cheat.

And yet, in response to a question by a commenter worried that they would no longer have access to CJ’s messages and predictions, Beckita gave a pointer to downloadable PDF files of all of CJ’s posts.

This seems to be a bit of a mixed message.



Anonymous said...

From the new site, Charlie still talks prophecy, despite his pledge, and still reinterprets things, despite his archbishop:

Another Karen
January 5, 2018 at 6:01 pm


Hi, Charlie. Happy New Year!

Respectfully, can you clarify something? In Fractured Expectations, you said that you thought that Sept. 23rd might have been the sign of the rescue, but you were rebuked by your angel that it wasn’t the sign when concerned that most may not recognize it as Our Lady. I took that to mean that the rescue was still to come. Now you are saying that it was the sign of rescue.

Did I misread something there? Thanks in advance for the clarification.



charliej373
January 5, 2018 at 10:41 pm


No, Karen, I did not say I was rebuked that it was not the sign, but that I was rebuked for wanting to publicly speak of it before the end of the year.


Another Karen
January 6, 2018 at 12:17 am


Thank you for the clarification, Charlie. Not the first time I misunderstood something, and probably not the last!
May God bless this new direction for you and all of those who follow!

Anonymous said...

If I had a dollar for each hour that went into the TNRS project, including the time posting, and further posting responses, and the time spent posting here, and the time spent on getting the messages out there...... Well, you get the picture. What a supreme waste of time, effort, manpower, and probably money spent in preparation. I wish I could snap my fingers and get a figure..
But in real terms, I wonder how many people actually feared the collapse, and took everything out of the markets, missing a rare 30 percent run up in the markets for 2017. The cost of this failed prophecy can be counted in financial, emotional, spiritual, and mental tallies. it is a lesson to many, including myself.
God bless all. A special thanks to Glenn for opening up his home to allow us to discuss this.

Anonymous said...

Yes, three years ago when I first met Seer Johnston and believed him I took all my retirement savings and my kids college funds out of the stock market fearing a collapse (the market was at 17000 at the time). Now three years later the market is at 25000 and I missed all that growth. What a fool I was. Thank you Charlie and Archdiocese of Denver.

Jean - "The Hawk" said...

Anon @ 8:43 pm - yes the stock market did go up, but you would have had to predict the ones that did go up because most stocks went down, there are a select few that have gone up and they are the ones driving the market and the average up - so without insider information most people are down with their portfolios.
Charlie really doesn't have any "insider" knowledge of the market - he's just parroting other people who are saying the same thing. Yes, the market can crash at any time, but they can also keep it going for as long as they want too. I've been hearing the market is going to crash for years and it hasn't - is it do for a correction - yes it is, but who knows when. Don't forget too that Trump has gotten rid of 16 old regulations for every new regulation, he is definitely market friendly so that has helped the markets too in the last year and who really saw a Trump victory? Charlie didn't until it was practically hitting him in the face.

Jean - "The Hawk" said...

If I recall correctly Charlie did tell everyone on TNRS and so did some of his minions that if Charlie was wrong it was the listeners fault for listening to Charlie and doing what he said - Charlie very specifically warned people against believing what he said - I do believe the quotes were posted on this site many times.
It is like when Bush 2 raided the pension fund to fund the government, in one of his last speeches he stated the social security fund was going broke and needed money put into it, the media missed the point, So if there is no money in social security and they try to blame Bush 2, he can say that on this date I said it needed to be replenished - it's not my fault.
So if someone tells you that this and this is going to happen but in another breath says be careful what I'm telling you, Charlie is protecting himself from law suites by warning you not to believe in what he says - I know it sounds counterproductive and contradictory but those are his words - to anyone that would send red flags flying all over the place. But, people didn't want to listen to those statements and more will get burned.

Anonymous said...

Due to Charlie's warnings about a world wide storm and financial crash I took out a loan against half of my 401k, the largest percentage allowable and bought gold and silver, and also I heavily stocked up on food prepper items. To me his warnings were actionable information but obviously now his predictions were all phony.

Anonymous said...

Maybe I'm wrong.. Is the TRNS website gone?

Куда ты идёшь? said...

Yo Glenn,

'who' not 'whom' in your update, which was otherwise well written (if not a little angry).

Matt the grammar nazi

Jean - "The Hawk" said...

Charlie has a new site, he took down the old one.

In regards to Charlie I don't believe he ever advised anyone to buy gold and silver, however if you did you should do well with those. With regard to the other "prepper items" I can relate a story where Art Bell of the Art Bell Radio Show was telling everyone to buy "prepper items" in preparation for Y2K. Curtis Slewa of WABC - New York didn't like Art Bell and took over the WABC transmitter on the eve of Y2K to prevent Art Bell from broadcasting in New York City, at any rate Curtis wanted Art Bell to reimburse everyone who bought "prepper items" - I don't believe that went anywhere, I know a few people sued, but I don't know the results.
Now, Y2K was sold as an unknown and governments went out of their way to prevent problems, as in the case of Charlie he made statements that turned out to be false, but he did warn people to not follow his statements - so he has provided a caveat. My bet is that SteveBC and Becks are also culpable as they did not appear to provide the same caveat. With any suit you would have to show you've been damaged - not just materially, but non- material.

Anonymous said...

Charlie's old site, TNRS, is gone, only to be replaced by A SIGN OF HOPE, Charlie's new site. He's still moving forward, playing on - line Pastor, and he's still hinting at the prophetic, albeit more subtly. Charlie's (almost 20) amazing predictions have all completely tanked, and he's been soundly rebuked by his Archbishop. He closed his old site to cover his tracks, and, undaunted, he started a new site to feed his ego and keep his cult afloat. Clever enough, and sickening.

Jim D.

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